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Can it run Doom?

Episode 67 - With host Craig Norris and cohost Taylor Lidstone.
First Broadcast on Edge Radio, 1st March 2024.


We dive into how Doom, the classic shooter game, has been ported to run on a $2,000+ lawnmower. Now you can literally mow down demons while keeping your lawn tidy. We then unravel a vending machine mishap that exposed a secret database of college students’ faces, raising questions about privacy and the pervasive reach of facial recognition. We also recount the curious case of parents duped by AI-generated images of a Wonka-like event, leading to a less-than-magical reality and a call to the cops. Finally, we tune into some musical missteps, highlighting five famous songs that made it to the final cut with noticeable mistakes, including one with a swear word that slipped past everyone for decades.

Join us as we dissect these fascinating stories, shedding light on the unexpected intersections of technology, privacy, and pop culture.




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CRAIG NORRIS

Claps ahoy.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

Claps ahoy clap.

CRAIG NORRIS

Being that's that's the sound of the audience applauding me finally having the show ready. You're listening to HD Radio 99.3 FM. That was the song the title Fly Fly. Yes, and you. And. And it was really some but really nice way of getting into today's show. And of course, this is media mothership again.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

Why? Which is very sombre.

CRAIG NORRIS

Yes, welcoming you again to media mothership. And as always, I am Craig, but we're broadcasting out of Edge Radio studios in Nepal, Luna. Hobart TAS a breath we explore how media can shape our understanding of the world around us. What does that mean?

Speaker

Test me.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

I've learned a lot. On this show.

CRAIG NORRIS

Thank you. I'm just going to assume that's true, yeah.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

Probably.

CRAIG NORRIS

As opposed to beating me. It refers to the idea that you know, if you've, if the classic example being if you've never travelled to Japan and all you've seen are manga and anime Media, then you'll have a kind of slightly skewed, unrealistic view of what Japan might be.

Speaker

MHM.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

Yeah. And then you get there and it's all anime and mung everywhere so.

CRAIG NORRIS

Like wow. And then the drugs wear off and you realise it isn't, but you're in a police cell. By. Then so yeah, basically it's talking about, yeah, the the kind of way the media can define reality around us. So we're talking about kind of reality bending moments that we've come across. In little media pieces that I've been. Yeah, yeah. In the past we've also deep dived into classic radio drama and sound effects. And I do want.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

To get back into that, yeah, that would be good. Yeah, to. Make something for that too. So I'm joined as always.

CRAIG NORRIS

By Lord Taylor. How are you?

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

Yeah, I'm good. Excellent. This week I've been trying mind control.

CRAIG NORRIS

Wow. You know, one of them is fascinating things about training people to do radio I found is one of the government legislations around. Radio is, you know, obviously, you know, you can't, you know, cause political sedition. Right, there's various. Other rules, one of them being you, you cannot. Conduct, you know, perform a hypnotic state upon.

Speaker

People.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

OK. Yes.

CRAIG NORRIS

Through media, you cannot. Subvert them hypnotically or through kind of hypnotic suggestion. Yeah, so? I'm just giving you this. Warning now, yeah, yeah. But tell me more about mind control.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

Well, it's it's Jose Silva's mind control method, but it's not controlling other people's minds. It's controlling your own mind.

CRAIG NORRIS

Oh.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

It's about getting yourself into the like they classify as like alpha, like brain waves and beta brain waves and Theta and etcetera, etcetera delta as well. And all of them like go down in different things and it's like trying to get yourself into that particular brain wave. State whilst you're in a waking state, which is a. Makes you able to think up heaps of different things and take on information really easily and stuff like that. Yeah.

CRAIG NORRIS

My favourite nightmare on Elm Street movie, not in the Street 3 Dream Warriors features this exact thing is it's.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

Plot. Yeah. Well, it was then discredited because the creator of it then said you can go and then put your mind into plants that are 50 kilometres away. And hear what's going on and stuff like that. But I have tried the first exercise of the mind control method, which is like when you wake up like in the morning, you immediately then shut your eyes. Look upwards at a 20° angle and count backwards from 100.

CRAIG NORRIS

OK. And that's meant to induce a particular mind?

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

It it's meant to introduce AA brain waves and it worked. It actually worked. So that part of it does work 100%.

CRAIG NORRIS

To do what your in what way?

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

Did it work? So like you know, when you're just about to nod off or you're daydreaming or something like that and you just get to the point where you almost fall over and then you just jolt yourself back. Away, yes. It's exactly the same feeling as that, except you can think perfectly. Clearly through. To it. Like you almost feel weightless and you're you can't feel any of your bodily extremities and stuff like that. It's crazy. Wow. So that part does work. I don't believe in the affecting other things part of it.

Speaker

OK.

CRAIG NORRIS

But Lord Taylor in no way reflects the views and opinions of Edge radio or media.

Speaker

Yeah.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

But it would be interesting to see how it goes, so I'm going to keep trying this method.

CRAIG NORRIS

Aye. Look, I mean, I do find that area fascinating. The idea of like mind hacks that one can do to help break.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

Bad habits? Yeah. Really. It's just a it's just a. Meditation is basically what?

CRAIG NORRIS

It is, yeah. Look, aspects of what you were saying reminded me of parts of meditative practise. I look forward to hearing more. About this journey.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

Yeah, I'll. I'll come back on in light next week.

CRAIG NORRIS

Yes, you won't be here physically, but for some reason you're. So fascinating. Here we are now on various platforms. Yes. So we're obviously on the FM stream. If you do want to message us on the SMS, you can do so on 0488811707 you can. Obviously, link mentally to Taylor's mind. Which is open. I saw his eyes at a 45° angle just then and clearly counting back. So feel free to project Astrally your thoughts too well Taylor's brain, or we're potentially screening screening, streaming again on YouTube and Twitch. Gosh knows what delay we're at at the moment, as people will be following us for the last two weeks. We'll know we were on. I think it was 20 seconds out of sync two weeks ago between you would see our movement on Twitch, and then 20 seconds after that you will see the sound corresponding to that.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

Did.

CRAIG NORRIS

Last week I got that down to 13 seconds, but I'd, you know, made so many adjustments to the settings now that you know. Yeah, GT was no help. Gave me a maths formula to follow. It was at that level was at that time I realised put everything back to zero and we'll start from scratch.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

We don't. Where we are. OK. Yeah.

CRAIG NORRIS

So I think there's possibly less of a delay, nevertheless still a delay, so I'm going to try to gesticulate while I'm talking so I can get a sense of movement and the one solitary clap, the round of applause to start the show was.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

Yeah. Yeah. OK.

CRAIG NORRIS

The sync mechanism.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

Yeah, just so everyone can get it ready now. I'm going to clap my hands.

CRAIG NORRIS

In applause for the great.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

Points 2-3 there I clap them.

CRAIG NORRIS

Don't do that. You're horrible. OK, so today's show. Let's jump straight into the.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

News OK here.

CRAIG NORRIS

We go possibly find it. The little P.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

Finding the news piece. Ohh no. I was gonna play a.

CRAIG NORRIS

Little quick thing, OK. I'll just do the.

Speaker

There you go.

CRAIG NORRIS

Right, this used to be the shows old intro. Not really a news piece. In the background. So the story one I wanna go through is picking up from last week's story, which was.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

Doom. Ohh. Doom. Want.

CRAIG NORRIS

Everything. Doom. Want everything. Yep. So this is a piece on Kotaku which popped up on my feed just this Monday. So new story. Doom is now playable on a $2000 plus lawn mower, because why not? Finally, you can now mow down zombies, demons and monsters with an actual lawn mower. Wow. And the picture is very amusing, guy lomo. I'm going down at the wonderful 8 bit graphics. So the story goes on to of course, say as we talked about last week, last week we had Doom being played on a biofilm film. Yeah, biological matter virus thing. Nice and icky. So this is talking about the landscaping tech company. Cavara ask Evan. Is that like Viking? I don't know. It sounds kind of Viking. They announced that the classic shooter featuring a lone space marine fighting off waves of demons with a shotgun and a chainsaw.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

Actually. Sweetie.

CRAIG NORRIS

Ohh so I will there. Yeah, there are Vikings.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

All of them.

Speaker

Uh.

CRAIG NORRIS

We'll be able to run some of its fancier robotic lawn mowers. Right. So the the shooter game will be run on some of the, yeah, it's. Not that the shooter game is going to be able to now pilot the lawn mowers, which had me. That would be like who didn't see that coming? I didn't think putting Doom as the AI intelligence for the lawn mower would result in the lawn mower going crazy and embarking on a death rampage. OK, this isn't a fan made hack or weird unlicensed port. It's actually an official partnership with Bethesda.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

Crazy. What are they doing? Just go back to cutting the grass, mate.

Speaker

The software.

CRAIG NORRIS

It's it's a marketing thing, right? So Bethesda owners of ID software that were the original producer of doom. Back in 1993, I have gone into yeah, a a future partnership with Svana. The Robo War mower.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

So this is their robo mower, so it's not as the picture suggests at the top where you drive the lawnmower. Which is a ride on Mower. If it's a robotic. Lawn mower.

CRAIG NORRIS

Yeah, I'm curious to see the imagery because I yeah, I mean, I imagine you'd be a human still on the lawn mower and you'd play it through like the, you know, the accelerator would be going forward and so forth. So yeah.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

Well, it's got it's got the picture of there and it's it's just a tiny robo mower. So it's like, you know how you've got Robo Vacs.

CRAIG NORRIS

Mean in the right by mouth?

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

It's exactly the same as that, but it's a lawnmower, yeah.

Speaker

I think 1.

CRAIG NORRIS

Of those things, you're cleaning your house? Yep. So the new way to play Doom will arrive in April on all nearer robotic lawn mower models. You don't have to pay to play the games. That's wow, that's a sell point. I mean, $2000 plus.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

Now this is so. But when it comes to that sell, points like that don't work either, because if you remember back a couple of years ago.

CRAIG NORRIS

Get the game.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

You had. Oh, which group was it? It was some. Some musician and they gave everyone. No, no, it wasn't in excess. Gave their album for free to everyone on my iTunes Apple.

CRAIG NORRIS

Ohh yeah, YouTube, YouTube it became the most heated. Yeah. Song. Yeah. Yeah. And I think if I remember correctly, you two themselves.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

Because nobody wanted it.

CRAIG NORRIS

Petitioned for this to happen as a gift to humanity. Back by it horribly, I mean, I mean, I guess that's the difference, right? It would be one thing if the early iTunes players had playable due doom. Sorry. Playable Doom on it. That would be kind of fun, right? I mean, you probably wouldn't use it.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

CRAIG NORRIS

But having that as part of your music library, I think for many people became a personal. Outrage because it. They will personalise their music collection to them and they've always got this Maroon 5 or something. I notice when I load up iTunes, sometimes years ago, but there was another track, a Maroon 5.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

Moves like Jagger or something.

CRAIG NORRIS

Yeah that I think.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

Something. Well, that's the same thing here. Like, is it? People do people who want to mow their lawns. Ohh. Wanna want to play doom? Is it gonna in some way infiltrate like the app that they have to use to do it and they click on it like oh damn it, I've clicked on the doom thing again. I. Mean to just mow the lawn?

CRAIG NORRIS

Well, I think. It's a short run thing as well, right? I mean, so they. At the end, don't worry once so it will be removed. So sadly this won't be a permanent feature that you can show off to family and friends. Instead, doom and all steam is and guns will be removed from the lawnmower in September 9th.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

Yeah. Well, unless people hack it, I mean, because if it's a robo mower, people are going to, you know.

CRAIG NORRIS

That's a good one.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

Moderate and things like that, and soon enough we'll be playing call of. Duty on it.

CRAIG NORRIS

Well, yeah, I mean, look, I I definitely take your point that there's so much legislation around making sure people aren't distracted when they're driving or operating. Probably machinery like this is it, is it really wise? It would be like, yeah, car manufacturers putting doom on your car. So you know, obviously. That is unwise.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

Yeah, unless it's a self driving unless it's.

CRAIG NORRIS

Talking of self governing machines, the next story I want to go on to is the vending machine error which revealed that secret Face image database of college students. The story is from as Technica. And it's going on a story about how facial recognition data, which is used to. Pumped. More vending machine sales. So I I guess you know as you go to buy something from the vending machine, there's some facial.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

I don't understand how that works because they don't. It doesn't then just say ohh this person likes chocolate, so we'll we'll put M&M's in front. It doesn't. It doesn't make any.

CRAIG NORRIS

Different. Yeah, I'm curious anyway, so the other who goes on to say that at. In Canada, at the University of Waterloo at the moment they're removing all of their M&M branded smart vending machines from campus because students stumbled across an error message which revealed that all these machines were covertly collecting facial recognition data without the consent. The people buying stuff from the. Machine. So the story goes on to say, you know, so this shouldn't post it up on Reddit because they saw this error message that said in vendor.vending.facialrecognitionapp.exe on the readout screen, which I've also noticed at the Kingston. Family caught there was the worst. And if yeah, their promotional LED panel has upgraded to Windows 11.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

Oh really?

CRAIG NORRIS

It's been there for a week. I guess I'm not upgrading anyway, so this is the error message that was displayed on the machine, so he posted it up to Reddit and wonderfully the members of. So there's there's an image there of it, we see an error. One of the classic kind of. Windows error messages popped up with this error.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

OK, so so yeah, this looks like a vending machine that's got like a full sized screen that it's got on there. It's not just like just a regular drink sending machine.

CRAIG NORRIS

All right. And you think behind that screen is?

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

Kind of old stuff. Well, if if you go, if you go up on the piece, it's like, I mean, that's a big picture for it to be.

CRAIG NORRIS

And. On. Yeah, it'd be interesting to know where exactly that display sits. Yeah, on the vending machine. But anyway, posted it up and the Reddit post sparked an investigation. From a fourth year student so. Then you know, maybe I should post up that image I saw at the local supermarket to Reddit, see if any 4th year. Mechanical engineering students can say, actually, they're collecting your data create so the push it up on Reddit students said, hey, this looks suspicious and sounded an alarm that this was and it's interesting cause yeah, the. Students consulted the in vendor sales brochure that promised the machines are capable of sending estimated ages and genders of every person who uses the machine without ever requesting their consent. That's crazy. So yeah, he he went to the web page of the. The error was connected to. And then flagged it that, hey, it looks like this is a.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

It just seems like data that's ridiculous to me because really, you get like from the numbers of items that have been sold, you get what's popular. Why do you need the ages and genders of people? It's like, ohh, we've got men over the age of 40. You better stock it up. With iced coffees or something, wouldn't be.

CRAIG NORRIS

Funny if they had music.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

The union.

CRAIG NORRIS

If they had music playing in the background, right? So let's say yes, people have 40 will play more. Frank, Frank. Sinatra, I don't. Know. But yeah, again, you know it it. Maybe we should walk around. With sticky tape. To put over where we think these security cameras, yeah. OK and. Going to our next story now.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

Which is loading.

CRAIG NORRIS

All right. I think I closed it anyway, right? So anyway, the next story which I I do want to get this next story is 1 about how. Cops were called. After a Willy Wonka, I generated images of Wonka like event. This is article. It's been reported widely and the story is about how a you know like school holiday break and there was this promotion.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

It was up in Scotland.

CRAIG NORRIS

It's going. Yeah, that's right. Yes. Your contacts Scotland. They promoted it though through a combination of of these AI images which. Yeah, it looked very AI to me when I saw them. Letting you know. Because I was thinking, Gee, would I would I have really expected to see something like those images? Yeah, but when you do see the reality what they've got, which is basically just a pretty much an empty warehouse, yeah, you know.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

Basically, you know wow. Like it was it's decorations set sort of like set decorations for an area that's an eighth of the size.

CRAIG NORRIS

Seems to be not many pieces.

Speaker

That's great, yeah.

CRAIG NORRIS

So these families went along at some great expense. It seemed well, well, reasonably. Pensive tickets, it seemed, and. There was massive disappointment on the first day that was posted everywhere, so one on one guy on Facebook posted what an absolute shambles an event I should do this.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

In a yeah, go on.

CRAIG NORRIS

Scottish accent. It went what? An absolute. No, just ohh. I couldn't commit to that absolute shambles of an event took two minutes to get through this. See to then see the queue of people surrounding the guy running it complaining. Oh right.

Speaker

People.

CRAIG NORRIS

The kids received two Jelly babies and a quarter of a can of bars lemonade.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

Only 1/4 of a cake.

CRAIG NORRIS

The willies, chocolate experience so clearly. Yeah, it's kind of trying to. You know, into kind of like how close can we get to not copyright. So they've tried to reference Willy Wonka but carefully not say it's Willy Wonka thing, so it's Willie Chocolate experience promised journey filled with wondrous creations and enchanting surprises at every turn. So it would be like a maze. They were trying to get through.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

Yeah.

CRAIG NORRIS

Feature. So yeah, the promotions featured 5 AI generated images which the art. Article writer here. The author says likely created with open eye open AI's Deli E3 and that would.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

Be yeah, it definitely was just looking at it. It's definitely a daily image, but have you seen, have you actually gone on to the website that they had?

CRAIG NORRIS

No, no, it's. I've got the images up here.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

I I can't. Remember what the address of the website is, but it's something like. Yeah, Willie's chocolate experience or. Something like that and. It even has got like they've put in all of this AI data, which has then created words in the pictures and so up the top of one of the pictures it says something along the lines of create the entrance to Willy Wonka experience. Right, but all misspelt because it doesn't do text very well.

Speaker

Well.

CRAIG NORRIS

It's it's amusing if you have a look at news articles that have recently been featured on this story because it points out that actually this one is different from the. But anyway, The Simpsons predicted this sad Willy Wonka inspired experience Simpsons episode, which features. Very sad Willy Wonka tour. The I I read some of the the workers that have been featured in some of the complaints have gone viral on the Internet, Wonka actor said. Parents rioted as chocolate experience to send it into chaos. Karen Gillian begs to be in movie based on the Glasgow Willy Wonka experience fiasco. Willie's Chocolate Factory experience Wonka actor speaks out about dangerous and heartbreaking events. Now a stand up comedian hide to play Willy Wonka at the highly criticised, widely criticised Chocolate Factory experience has spoken out. We always chocolate experience nightmare. What went wrong? Yeah. Fascinating. Yeah. So this is really, really taken off in a fascinating way. Have you ever had one of those disappointing experiences as a child when you've been? Taking. On a long car drive drive with your family and said, you know, we're going to be going to the. Magical place for some candy or something.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

Or I have? I definitely have many many times, but I just can't think of a specific event or where I was for it either. All I remember this this wasn't a a bad experience but going up to the northeast coast of Tasmania or something like that and they had sort of like a. Like a marine park sort of thing and. You you were able to buy a sea horse that was dried because it had been it had, like, died of natural causes and they just dried it out and you could take a sea horse home. It's a bit strange, but I did did buy one, but I was very young and. Oh.

CRAIG NORRIS

Mr hub.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

Yeah, it was. That was a good experience, though not a.

CRAIG NORRIS

Bad. I remember some of the students I took on Japan Field trip. One group went to the there was a Penguin cafe OK near the hostel we were staying at and. They.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

It served Penguins.

CRAIG NORRIS

The Penguins are the dish. No, there were real Penguins there. They said it was filthy. Ohh, right. It's really distressing and did not look pleasant for the.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

OK, good.

CRAIG NORRIS

Did you ever go to one of those animal cafes in Japan? Little cat cafes, owl cafes?

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

No. No, unfortunately didn't really wanted to. Yeah, but yeah, cause you were there every time I did something and there were there wasn't anything there.

CRAIG NORRIS

Well, it was a trip we took into Tokyo or Kyushu.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

Fukuoka.

CRAIG NORRIS

Fukuoka, right. Right. Well, we, we, there were a couple of. There's, like the Kamikaze museum get.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You you didn't. You went to a sumo event.

CRAIG NORRIS

Down to that. Yeah. Oh yeah, that I couldn't believe you guys ditched me. In fact, you know I'd made the mistake of of deciding the shoes I just bought were perfect for walk this walking trip I'd organised, and on the second day I realised these shoes are way too small. And so when the sumo tournament came to town. Yeah, yeah, we're doing a whole day of sumo.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

And you? Yes, you guys, yeah.

Speaker

Any.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

Well, it was expensive, so we didn't go to that one.

CRAIG NORRIS

Cement.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

But but actually no. On on Japan talk, you know how we went there and we got cheats Sir.

CRAIG NORRIS

Come on, vaguely. Is this like at the McDonald's?

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

Jesus. KFC chicken pizza.

CRAIG NORRIS

OK, yeah, I've blanked this one out. What was it like? What? How did they serve it?

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

So it was like a A. Can sort of round round bit of chicken which is like being hammered out sort of thing like like a chicken for like.

CRAIG NORRIS

OK. Like a chicken breast. And they're flattened. It should be like the bread.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

Yeah. And it was like a parmigiana sort of thing on top of it. But we've worked the secret herbs and spices, you know, in that sort of thing. Well, in the US, they have brought, they're bringing that to the US now. And so probably over here as well.

CRAIG NORRIS

Why? I did eats and this is a confession. One of those like heart attack burgers. They replace the bread buns with two chicken breasts.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

Alright.

CRAIG NORRIS

One, sadly. Anyway, I don't endorse that or encourage. People to do that. OK. Yes. So that's the Willy Wonka thing. Now the last the last bit of media I want to play and this is more of an experiment. See how far we can go.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

That's very rude.

CRAIG NORRIS

Isn't it? Yeah. Yeah. Language, language warning. I guess it's just an article on Cracked.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

So turn it up in the home, yes.

CRAIG NORRIS

And I'm always looking for articles. Which feature audio in them in particular, so this one really.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

Took my attention. That makes sense rather than. Vision. Over the radio.

CRAIG NORRIS

This is an article about 5 mistakes that made it into the final versions of famous songs. Yeah, So what I'm going to do is. I'm going to try to. Play the clips. From some of the songs that's identified. And and and we'll see if you can tease out, I'll tell you what you're meant to be listening to. So the first one, number five is is from the famous Beatles song, Hey Jude and. Allegedly at the. At the 259 mark in hey Jude, you can hear ****** hell. Wow, ****** hell. So I'm going to try to line that up. Any second? Oh. All right, yeah. It's just like, oh, I've got to stop that. Sorry. Hold on. OK, great. Great. Great. All right. Hey, Jude. So 259. So I'm just going to play a little bit of it and and we'll see if we can hear ****** now. OK. All right, here we go.

Speaker

No.

CRAIG NORRIS

Right there, it was. No, it was. Let's play it. Again. So at 2:55 so 4 seconds. I think I think. You get it? Yeah, we'll do it once more.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

Ohh yeah, just for fun.

CRAIG NORRIS

The time to chat. I had that even clearer. So what happened was one of the four guys, yells ****** hell and according to their engineer, Geoff Emerick, he says it's Paul McCartney. 'S voice. Wow. Busted. Emerick wasn't there during the recording, however, so. He says John Lennon told him Paul let out that swear. And after after he messed up on the piano support playing the piano, he messed up and he said, ****** L while others claim the spontaneous utterance actually came from John and not Paul, John said it was Paul. Either to say it was John that said it, you'll notice the above recording, so if you go to the cracked article, I will put links on the. Podcast you'll notice the above recording, labelled as the remastered, but the swear went out on every record, so it should be there even on the the early presence.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

OK. Might just be a bit more.

CRAIG NORRIS

Difficult to hear. Interestingly, fans never noticed, right? The ****** hill. The song played uncensored on the radio even countless times the the radio was often so crappy and muffled that it's amazing anyway. Grew a taste for music.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

At all. Well, it it's good that he he swore in time with the music. So it sort of just sounded like it went on with it.

Speaker

Yeah, yeah.

CRAIG NORRIS

I think we'll we'll hear one more time. So you hear the pianos, the idea that John Lennon saying is that Paul's screwed up on the piano.

Speaker

Yeah.

CRAIG NORRIS

Yeah, yeah. All right, #4, I don't know what I'm gonna do with this one. This one goes for quite a bit of. Time. So John Blunt, who's John Blunt? James Blunt John Blunt is James Blunt. Trumpet James Blunt screws up the start of your beautiful so James Blunt and the famous 2004 song you're beautiful. Is is interesting if I can go into the story behind it, right. It's it's that the opening of the song is wrong. Right? So there's a mistake he makes at the start of. Of you're beautiful. Where? He starts singing too early the song. And he wasn't supposed to open this song like that, right? So he he starts singing too early in the song, and then he stops.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

And he wrote it himself.

CRAIG NORRIS

And the song comes back in with when the singing is meant to start. So he does that. They left the mistake in the recording. Both the original and the radio edit, and he liked it too much. He he kind of kept it. I'm not sure. I don't really want to play the whole start of it.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

Well, it's only one line, isn't.

CRAIG NORRIS

It OK, we'll play it if it if my YouTube gets blocked. Ohh, do it. I mean only silence for a.

Speaker

Oh.

CRAIG NORRIS

Few seconds. Yeah, right. And maybe maybe James Blunt doesn't and his record label doesn't.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

Ohh yeah, that sounds legit.

CRAIG NORRIS

Alright, geez, I've done it again. I'm playing it from the wrong source. OK, hold on. All right, here we go. Here we go. Oh.

Speaker

For the bit.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

Well, that's definitely blocked.

Speaker

My life is. Here.

CRAIG NORRIS

So this is my life addresses, but the song keeps going right cause you realise you came in too early and then the song kicks in. A few chords after that and he then sings the whole chorus or the whole opening intro line. Yeah. So it was a screw up, but he left it.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

Yeah.

Speaker

Yes.

CRAIG NORRIS

In there. Very interesting. #3 is sex on fire, which was a misunderstanding. In 2008, Kings Of Leon walked into the studio with an idea for songs. Article was on say. Verses were about intense feelings between two people. As for the chorus, they they need to do it. Chorus would be one single line. It would consist of a preamble moon and then the words sat us on fire. One of the people doing the sound, mixing listened in and said sex on fire. Huh. That was ridiculous, of course, but the band now used that as the title for the song and as arrange it so. I don't know if you've heard that song, yeah.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

I hate it, so I'm not gonna.

CRAIG NORRIS

Sorry for fans out there. The other one I won't play either, but I'll tell you the story behind it. Time after time was a placeholder, so this is from Cindy Lauper's.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

All right, yes.

CRAIG NORRIS

Song. So what I like about the story, so I'll read the story.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

It's a good story so far.

CRAIG NORRIS

Yeah, Cyndi Lauper, 1983, wrote the song time after time. The phrase time after time itself, which makes roughly 18 appearances in the song in both chorus and verse, was a placeholder or however right. So the music was was generated, as they say today. For the song it makes me.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

Alright.

CRAIG NORRIS

But she she. She just had that as a placeholder until. She came up with the. Right lyrics she had all.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

And. And they were the right.

CRAIG NORRIS

Lyrics and it gets better, she producer Rick Cutoff asked for. One more. She had all the songs she wanted for her next album, the producer Rick Chertoff, asked for one more. So she took inspiration from a film titled she saw in a nearby issue of TV Guide. The film was time after time, starring Markham Malcolm McDowell as HG. I was travelling through time to fight Jack the Ripper, and yeah, it's called time. After time. I had no idea that was the inspiration for the placeholder for the song, which then became the song.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

The song was named after the movie, and now the song is really well known and the movie not.

Speaker

Yeah.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

So much. That's right. Well, yeah, that's.

CRAIG NORRIS

They kept the phrase time after time, but they didn't plan to leave those words in. Then in the end, they decided the words worked fine. The song is about someone being there for you unconditionally, forever time after time. Maybe if I sang it, it wouldn't get blocked.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

MHM.

CRAIG NORRIS

They'll be there for. You time after time, the song says. And yet, that's not what time after time means, the article argues in another context. In another context, time after time simply means frequently. So time after time I've been. Eating chocolate doesn't sound right at all. For example, we could say that karaoke singers choose time after time, time after time. OK yeah. Yeah, Carrie, singers choose time after time a lot. Or time after time, time after time. We can say that in time after time, Cindy Lauper says time after time, time after time. But we shouldn't say this song is so great. People will be singing it time after time. That's not what the phrase means. Or at least it wasn't what it meant until the song gave it this new meaning. It's confusing, isn't. Alright, the last one I can play or I can attempt to play if I can get it queued up. It's it's a sting song.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

OK.

CRAIG NORRIS

So it's Roxanne. Roxanne, you don't have to.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

I don't.

CRAIG NORRIS

Know OK polices Roxanne starts with sting laughing which you may not have picked up on now the the lyrics that aren't funny so people have kind of been thinking why? Why does he laugh at the start of this quiz. Serious song. So the song, of course, is is about a woman urging her to take the night off instead of doing her normal Parisian sex worker job. So but the laugh is kind of, yeah, very cheery tone. So the, well, we'll we'll we can see if we can try and. Here to laugh at the start. I don't know. Can't remember how far into the song it.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

Is it's got to be at the.

CRAIG NORRIS

Start. Obviously I hope so. Then when you get a second anyway, let's play it. Do you hear it? Yeah. It was into the video. Yep, which we'll have a listen to again. Just before he laughs. 2 seconds before that, you'll hear this discordant clang.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

OK.

CRAIG NORRIS

Yeah, right. Which is the sound of Sting accidentally sitting on the piano. So he accidentally sat on the piano's keyboard making this sound. Well, well, he thought the keyboard lid was down, but it wasn't. It was open and he sat down and he made that sound. So he laughed as he blundered into that. Yeah. So they included that, though with the laugh. Uh, in in the in the final recording. So, but we'll listen to again to see. See here if you can hear the sound of of kind of someone sitting on piano keyboard and then stings. Off. Yeah.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

It's like.

CRAIG NORRIS

It's very so here once more. I could sample that and incorporate it into the show from now on. When I wanna cut to A and well, we'll see if YouTube or Twitch blocks me for playing. Yeah. There we go. That's been.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

Why didn't they re record it?

CRAIG NORRIS

Yeah. I mean, it's not the worst one. The worst song that they can't unhear is the rock the casbah.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

OK.

CRAIG NORRIS

Because just for the chorus, I think you can hear this Casio watch of the General Lee. And it it, it just irritates me and a friend of mine, you know, we were listening to a friend of mine's music collection and he he he was a notorious downloader who downloaded it. And I was saying that song has been hacked because surely this song wouldn't have.

Speaker

From.

CRAIG NORRIS

Like, but I looked it up on the Internet and sure enough, one of the musicians got there late from the clash right when the missions got there late but still wanted to participate in the song through kind of fit and decided that his contribution was his new Casio watch and the alarm on it. This is like 1983 or something. The alarm on it. Which was the General Lee that, that he would then try and fit into the beats and play it's it's off beat though, right? It's it's too fast and it's horrible and I can't unhear it now.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

Yeah. What's the point?

CRAIG NORRIS

All right. OK, well, look. This has been media membership for another week. Thanks for all the comments. Well, you know, I could have encouraged people to. To post in and.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

Yeah, yeah. Just any comments that you make under your breath angrily. That's fine as long as you're.

CRAIG NORRIS

Yeah. Making a call? We'll. We'll get around to it for keep unlimited. Yeah, so keep unlimited is coming up next. What's happening on K Pop unlimited.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

Great music. Lots of J. Pop Ding Dong.

CRAIG NORRIS

Is there any swearing?

Speaker

uhm

CRAIG NORRIS

Accidental or delivery?

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

Can't remember.

CRAIG NORRIS

It's the around sitting on a keyboard and laughing. All right. Well, we'll we'll find. I'll, I'll ask ChatGPT, various questions about the songs. We're out. Please keep listening. Coming up at after five, we'll be keep up unlimited. But thanks for listening now to media mothership. I've been Doctor Craig joined by.

Speaker

So.

CRAIG NORRIS

What's his name? I don't know, little Taylor. Oh, yeah, that's me. Show notes and links to the articles we've discussed will be available on YouTube or the podcast notes in a few weeks when it breaking up like this episode next week, we'll be diving further into hopefully Shogun. Yeah, I want to. Investigate the new Disney FX Shogun series well. I've always had a fraught relationship with the novel, published 1973 by James Clavell, as well as the 80s, wildly cherished mini drama like 8, three episode huge TV sensation with Richard Chamberlain and Toshio. Toshiro mifune. I said that confidently to ship all my funny. So yes, next week hopefully we'll get around to that. It could be. Quite exciting so. Keep listening now to Edge Radio 99.3 FM. As I unpack all my gear and allow Taylor to set up all his gear.

 

 

 

 


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