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Iconic DVD Commentary Meltdowns

Episode 85 - With host Craig Norris
First Broadcast on Edge Radio, 23rd August 2024.

In today's episode, Dr Craig discusses some unusual, quirky media culture stories, including Guillermo del Toro’s live-tweeted adventure with a ghost in a haunted Scottish hotel, the reaction to Francis Ford Coppola’s Megalopolis trailer, the story behind a German warship cruising down the Thames while blasting Darth Vader’s iconic Imperial March theme, and some awkward meltdowns in DVD commentaries.




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CRAIG

All right. Well, we kind of got there in the end. Media mothership here on Edge Radio, 99.3 FM. As always, we're broadcasting out of. As radio studios here in Nipuna Hobart TAS and exploring everything in and around the world of media and pop culture, we are highly experimental programme in a fantastically diverse station. So if you're looking to gets trained up to do radio shows, do go on to the edge. Radio.com.aunoedgeradio.org dot AU website and check out details there if you want to get some training. Full disclosure, I'm also the training coordinator, so that's a bonus if you think this is great. What else the show is being streamed on Edge radio as well as on Twitch and YouTube. You can find us by just searching. Medium mothership. This one is on the DAB and you can message us directly on 0488811707 here in the studio or send us a chat on the. YouTube or Twitch chat sites. We had some crazy music, most notoriously was give me pizza a a, a notorious kind of mash up slowed down. Remix of an Olsen's twins pizza song originally shown on some horror Disney programme, gained neutral variety back in 2010. 2010 so, you know, still 21st century. Then we had the. Kero Kero Bonito song by Flamingo and after that was seagulls. Stop it now by bad lip reading, so on today's show we're going to explore and dive into some fascinating areas of media and popular culture and hopefully some of it you'll find. Intriguing and unusual and entertaining. All right, we're back here on Edge radio. Media mothership first fun little article. They only came across this morning reports from AGN that Guacamole del Toro is live tweeting his beef. With a ghost in a haunted hotel in Scotland. This seems to have captured the interests of many Twitter followers. As the Oscar winning filmmaker has been live tweeting from his experience in what's allegedly one of the most haunted rooms in the old hotel in Aberdeen, Scotland, where he's currently filming his new movie based on Mary Shelley's. Frankenstein. So del Toro here is, you know, filming on sets, doing his work. And one of the locations, I guess some of the production team are staying at is this. Hotel and it's notorious for having this haunted room in particular. And from Tuesday this week, he tweeted that one of his producers had vacated the room. That she'd been billeted to stay in over fear of an odd electrical physical occurrence. So then del Toro. Decided he'd switch rooms stay in, or at least I don't know. Switch. But but go stay in her room or ex room. And he tweets that, you know, he was having high hopes that he'd have some sort of supernatural experience, that he was posting in his twitters. So it's it's fascinating reading his tweets that's compiled in this article. So his first tweet is whilst in Aberdeen I am staying in an old 1800s hotel. I am in the most haunted room of it which was vacated this morning by one of our producers. Odd electrical and physical currents has scared her into leaving ASAP. Stay tuned if anything happens, I will. Report so that got. Picked up by his followers, started becoming a really interesting thing to watch. IO. He then followed up by saying I always stay in the most haunted rooms, but only once did I experience anything supernatural. The rest of the time, nothing I have high hopes. And that was on August 21st that he posted. Then the next day he posted an update saying I can only say nothing has happened yet, but the atmosphere in the room is oppressive and I'm not going to spend much more time there. It may be suggestion, but at this point I kept it. But at this point I kept it, but am sleeping in another room. I need six hours of sleep to. Have a good shooting. Day I mean, so obviously he's trying to to still do his film. Roots as well as this interest of experiencing. The the thing and what's interesting is, of course, fans of Del Toro started to pick this up. Some of them are playing to his original tweet saying please get out of there. I'm scared for you. And I don't even know you. Guillermo. Was one tweet, another one was saying this is stressing me out. One fan simply asked. Are you being haunted, bro? So again, you know, a bit of banter. Then uh. You know it's. Been. Wonderful people that have picked us up, some people retweeting it with comments like honey, wake up. Well, my del Toro's beefing with a ghost, others retweeting. We're all yammering away about whatever we are, and all the while, we're almost. Del Toro is trapped in a haunted hotel. People posting up the famous OPS room from the assassination of bin Laden, with the comment keeping tabs on the Guillermo del Toro Hotel boost situation, so it's definitely created a amusing interest as a director famous for. Doing Gothic and horror films is tweeting his experience staying in a room which is meant to be haunted, and which one of the producers involved in the project also refused to stay in any longer. So quite, quite intriguing. All right, the Aqua Polygon talking about how this headline might be, this might be the most defensive movie trailer of all time. This is Francis Ford Coppola's latest film, Megalopolis. And if you'd like to check it out, it's interesting because it basically. Sets up a, you know, a typical kind of start, but then it goes into a list of, well, it starts with, I guess Laurence Fishburne saying true. Genius is often misunderstood. And then there's montage of. Critical reactions to his previous films like The Godfather, Apocalypse now, Brown Sugars, Dracula and so on, where critics have panned them, such as saying, you know. Hollow at the core and so forth. So again, a whole series of of comments critiquing it's and Fishman saying, you know, one filmmaker has always been ahead of his time. So certainly building up that idea that, you know this film, while it might be Luke, warm in its reactions nevertheless, you know. He's he's a misunderstood genius and we'll go on to great. It's fascinating though, that that's the approach they've taken. In the trailer, where they've posted bad reviews of Coppola's previous films, which are considered to be absolute. High watermarks cinema. Setting up this idea that that this is the next film which will again. UM. Be successful. What, however, has caused controversy is that this trailer, it turns out, has featured quotes of reviews which are either fabricated or misattributed. So all of these claimed. Movie critic comments with sources are wrong are just made up or misattributed, and since then Lionsgate had pulled the trailer from release. So there's been quite a bit of backlash from that interesting approach where they. Used fake or misattributed critical panning of his previous films. To hype up the film. Because the negative reviews were in. Fact fake. Maybe that's what I should do. For. Media manager in my next social promotion of it. Interesting. This is a a funny piece. I'll need to quickly. Play a short. Short example to set you in the mood for what this is, I'll just play a first few notes. Yeah. OK. Right. I don't want to get the YouTube blocked. And of course, is John Williams, famous Star Wars Imperial, March theme. Ars Technica here was reporting recently that the German warship floated down Thames River in London, England while playing. Darth Vader's theme, that is the Imperial March. So this this very large German naval Corvette. And there's a wonderful YouTube of it, is there sailing down and the. You know the crew. They're on attention and they're they're playing through. I assume the speaker system of the boat. The Imperial March from Star Wars and of course you know, the Imperial March is used there as this is the music for the bad guys. This is the music for the bad guys, which are also a kind of metaphor, a a motif of Nazism, right? This fascist imperial force. With Darth Vader and there's the Germans kind of owning it. The article is interesting because it goes on to. Talk about how of course, you know, Germany suffered under German and attempted invasion. Right, with the Battle of Britain, the blitz during. World War 2. As were as well as various conflicts. So yeah, I mean, UK and Germany were were well in the past. So it is spectacular, German naval spokesman assured the BBC the article. Was on to say that the music had no deeper message. And that it was not some sort of commentary from the German naval staff. Rather, the boat's commander can choose the music freelancer. For whatever reason, the naval commander of this German naval Corvette sailing down the Thames River in London, England, decided. He'd play this Imperial March music from Star Wars that's associated with the bad guys that are kind of based on the Nazis. It is interesting because of course, for two reasons. The article points out. One is that, you know, Germans are stereotyped for not having any humour this just otherwise. It it's just. Quite funny. Maybe trolling off British. Secondly, you know the article points out that it's interesting to see. This generation, who grew up watching. The original stylish trilogy. Now the article says running the world and its weapon systems, so they're bringing their musical tastes with them, even if they come from Galaxy far, far away. So yeah, yeah, this this might just be the fact that the. The captain of this bird is a huge. Star Wars geek. Yeah. Hilarious though. Right. Yeah, so. We might. Shift gears briefly. I want to dip back into an idea from last week's show that we never got around to doing, which were DVD commentary tracks. One of the appeals is still owning physical media, even though there's so much streaming that is dominant today. Is that your physical media? It can still be useful because it contains commentary tracks, special features, and various other things which often you won't be able to access in the streamed version of them as well as the fact of course, that the streaming in network, your Netflix or whatever. Won't have those titles. Probably forever, so they can disappear. So in this case, we're going to look at some DVD commentaries, which are notorious for involving the meltdown. Of the person that was given the commentary for those people that never listened to a commentary track often involves the director or a cast member or someone involved in the production, or if it's not very old film, it involve film. Critic or some huge fan providing discussions and unpacking the significance of various scenes. So we'll play a. Couple of them. This is from an article that cracked.com put together while back where they compiled what they felt were the five most hilariously awkward moments. Of the person doing the commentary melting down during it. So we'll listen to them. We might break it down a bit and and consider how how bad the meltdown was.

Speaker

Five most.

Speaker 4

Awkward commentary.

Speaker

Tracks. Ever. Leanne. You know. Yes, I know her well.

CRAIG

So just suppose that this is from. Cannibal the musical 1993 it's created by the talent that brought us South Park and in the commentary that we're about to listen to. Trey Parker here, who's one of the creed of talents. One of the chief creative towns behind South Park and was involved in the production of this film, Cannibal musical talks about the inspiration for the movie.

Speaker

I I wanted. To.

Speaker 5

I was engaged to this girl, Leanne, who we were sort of high school sweethearts. And about a month before the wedding, she decided to start sleeping with this guy in an acapella group. And I really wrote this movie for her just so that I could, you know, ridicule her basically. Really. Miss Leanne, don't you?

Speaker 6

Don't worry, Mr Packer. There's plenty of horses in the world. You'll find another.

Speaker 5

I kept thinking about Leanne with that dirty trapper.

Speaker 8

Now check out and check out.

Speaker 7

Dirty ******* acapella singer guy and now she's with the manager of bodies. Ohh hi. I'm worth $7,000,000 and she's she's with the manager of Foleys. Whoops.

Speaker

You have.

Speaker 9

So you're going to have to.

CRAIG

Drink from this glass so.

Speaker

Ohh yeah that.

CRAIG

Yeah, fascinating there. A sudden meltdown where during his discussion of of the cannibal musical film, he suddenly starts talking about. Yeah, where he got inspired from and it was the fact that. Girlfriend of his broke up for him from him and went on to marry this manager of Foleys and so during the commentary track he he he says that and you know he in the film named the Horse after his ex girlfriend there's another references to it so yeah it's a moment of. Of quite a bizarre personal. Kind of. Moment. So let's keep listening now to #2. That was number one, the. Moment in which Trey Parker talks about the inspiration of Cannibal musical being from his hatred of his ex girlfriend.

Speaker

It makes me hot.

CRAIG

OK, So what we're going to listen to next is from the Twilight film, this is the 2008 vampire film, and here we're going to have the cast talk about this film.

Speaker

Hey.

Speaker 10

I didn't actually know they're rolling when we're doing this scene.

CRAIG

So this is Robert Patterson. Patterns and talking about. His his experience of being in the film as the main character, the the main vampire, and he starts off really strongly with the clip that the selected here where he says. That he didn't actually know they were rolling when they were doing this scene, so that he's watching this performance that he's given his only memory of it was. He didn't know that they were filming it.

Speaker 10

Someone talking about garden burgers the other day, but Haley from Paramore?

Speaker 9

What did she have to say about garden burgers?

Speaker 10

I can't remember, but I've never heard of them being called garden burgers before. Gardenburger. It's like something you found in the garden.

Speaker 9

Kristen, look at this guy's feet and then have, like, really overwhelming flashbacks that, like, almost make your eyes like flutter, OK. It was so terrible.

Speaker 10

What did you do?

Speaker 9

I fluttered my eyes, had an overwhelming flashback.

Speaker 10

All right, see it.

Speaker 9

Vampire.

Speaker 10

What do we eat? Cheeseburgers.

CRAIG

So yeah, there's the team talking about making twilight, and then they're clearly completely disinterested. In fact, too, you know, at one point, as we heard their Pattinson's just talking about garden burgers in this stream of consciousness, irrelevant discussion, not even talking about the helm anymore. So yeah, seems seems like a a pretty fruitless discussion as well. As you know, Kristen Stewart, the actress that played the love interest. You know, talking about how she asked the director for some direction on on doing this flashback scene and fluttering her eyes. So next ones next one is a classic. It's from the 1960s, it's from the twilight zone. TV series. And somehow they got Mickey Rooney back. To discuss this episode of the Twilight Zone, which he had appeared in back in 1963, this is it's quite I mean, right Mooney at this point that it's doing the commentary is is a really old guy. And he's talking about this, this small piece he played in this TV show. I mean, Mickey Rooney, famous for various golden age of Hollywood movie roles in the 50s and 60s. And here he is talking about this, this, this episode. In a commentary track for the Twilight Zone, TV shows called this episode title is the last night of a jockey.

Speaker 6

You unlock. This door with the key of imagination beyond it is another dimension, a dimension of sound. The mention of sight.

Speaker 11

Do you remember much about this? We're watching it together for the first time. Anything.

Speaker 8

No, I don't remember anything, but I don't.

Speaker 6

Care the land of both shadow and substance, of things and ideas. You've just crossed over into the twilight zone.

Speaker 11

What was going on with you while? You're making this at that time.

Speaker 8

I don't remember. It's too long ago.

Speaker 11

What today's audience doesn't understand, and maybe we could put this in context. You're playing a jockey for many years. Anytime anybody said anything about a short, you were the **** of.

Speaker 8

Jokes. Well, I I I'm tired of that. Ohh.

Speaker 11

The younger audience.

CRAIG

He.

Speaker 2

So.

CRAIG

****** *** in this commentary track. Completely dissing the younger generation. In fact, let's just do that again because it is fascinating to hear. So obviously I'm currently sitting in there with a type of film historian and managed to get him in so. Here, here, here. Let's just do it. Again.

Speaker 6

A dimension of sight.

Speaker 11

Do you remember much about this? Ohh, we're watching it together for the.

Speaker 8

No, I don't remember. I don't care.

Speaker 6

First evening in Orlando.

CRAIG

So they're saying, you know, he he gets asked by the president. Do you remember anything about? This episode, he goes. No, I don't remember anything. The person, the film critic says, you know, great. We're watching it first time together. Rooney's reply is I don't care. Any think about it?

Speaker 6

Shadow and substance of things and ideas. You've just crossed over into the twilight zone.

Speaker 11

What was going on with you while you're? Making this is definitely.

Speaker 8

I don't remember. It's too long ago.

Speaker 11

What today's audience doesn't understand, and maybe we could put this in context. You're playing a jockey for many years. Anytime anybody said anything about a short, you were the **** of jokes.

Speaker 8

Well, I'm tired of that.

CRAIG

He's he is so so so.

Speaker 11

The younger audience cause they don't.

Speaker 8

The younger audience doesn't want to see this.

Speaker 11

Well, that's his wife. That's who's watching this. What is? Yes.

Speaker 8

No, it isn't. They're they're watching sexy things.

Speaker 11

The kids.

CRAIG

You're watching sexy things. We've had some comments on the the chat, which is fantastic. Thank you. Glob Gods and Jerome got milk. Let's hear what the commentary track for the next piece is. So let's set this up. This is from the 1997 film, was it Batman and Robin the let's, let's let's look. So this is the 1997 film Batman and Robin.

Speaker 2

Akiva Goldsman was blamed a lot for the sort of lightness and humour and fun and games of Batman and Robin, but that's not fair.

CRAIG

So. You know the the. The start of that comment was interesting because. Kind of providing some information and context about, you know, the backlash this film received because Batman and Robin received a huge amount of backlash, a huge amount of sense that it was too juvenile. It had a lot of poor design choices. It kind of focused on the fact that the. That suit had *******. That there was this kind of complete shift from the Tim Burton films Batman, and it was a Batman returns and. This this film was was savaged. So we saying that then the the Cracked article was to turn on the we we we seem to have some acceptance of this this critical backlash.

Speaker 2

This team will not win the award for under acting, but hey, it's a comic book.

Speaker 7

With them.

Speaker 2

You know, if you love a movie, there are hundreds of people that made it lovable for you. If you don't like it, blame the director. That's what our names there for.

Speaker 4

I hate when people talk during the movie.

Speaker 2

I take full responsibility. I mean, Akiva did write the script, but I shot it.

Speaker

Let's take some ice. Yes.

CRAIG

So it's fascinating to hear that the the kind of sense of. You know, a director drew in the commentary track and there's some kind of edited clips from the whole film that they've compiled together there. And you're hearing the director kind of go through those stages of grief. You know, first kind of rejecting that criticism, then coming to some acceptance and then apologising for the film that that film, I think also involves another really interesting commentary piece that. Is discussed. Joel Schumacher discusses which is the pressure he was under to make the film. He refers to it as toyetic, which was a term I think that that McDonald's and other sponsors. Were applying to the film to make sure that there were design elements in its toy. Well, it's in its. Design of the. Cars and the weapons and so forth, which could be turned into doys, which many people pointed to was another problem with the film that it was potentially there to not only well, the the the storytelling was somehow sabotaged by trying to make too many. Toys out of it. Alright, let's the next one. We're gonna listen to is from 19901990 cult classic Total recall starring Arnold Schwarzenegger, of course. So let's hear how, Arno. Melted down maybe. Or at least how the critique of this shows it as a less than ideal commentary.

Speaker 4

Here this is my job. I'm a construction worker. And I'm totally amazed. What what's I'm looking at the gun. Exactly. How did I do that?

Speaker 8

And he is looking at sensing, is this me the?

CRAIG

So what's hilarious about Arnold Schwarzenegger's commentary is. He's commenting them as as if he's only watching them in terms of where he's just describing what he's seeing on the screen. You know, he's like, how, how did he do that? I'm looking at my God, like, what am I doing? So he's not actually providing any information. In terms of. What the behind the scenes secrets? Were or what an? Interesting or unusual approach that this required or how many takes or anything else that informs our understanding of it. It's simply. Describing the scene.

Speaker 4

I continuously used them as a human shield. Then I threw him down the escalator. This scene is unbelievable because my frustration about this taxi cab does not understand where I want to go. Here's the great fight scene with Sharon and me. How they've heard.

CRAIG

So, I mean it's great because you know he he does present himself as as loving his films, right. He's he's certainly describing and commentating on these films in a way where his enjoyment of them is is quite. Clear, which is wonderful. But he is describing them the article. Characterises it as, as you know, like an 8 year old's description. In terms of, he's just describing the cool things about the film or he gets hit in the nuts by Sharon Stone. He's like ohh, that hurt. Alright, so let's listen to his commentary track on another great film which is Conan the Barbarian from 1982.

Speaker 4

Yeah, here's the making of this sword. This whole movie has to do with that. The sword, the building of the sword Building the steel, and is in the character being like steel.

Speaker 1

But Crumb is your God.

Speaker 4

Tells me when I was. Young yeah. There's a kid wear lipstick or what is that?

Speaker

No, that's just that's just a kid. That's funny.

Speaker 4

Welcome to our DVD of Terminator three, rise of the machines. This scene with the.

CRAIG

So he's he's describing the the setup of the scene where the female Terminator and Terminator 3 enlarges her breasts to distract the police officer. That's come over.

Speaker 4

Enlargement of the press was fantastic because there's some guys did like little press and there's some guys that like big breasts, says. Wouldn't it be nice if you can play both sides, you know, but sometimes even simultaneously.

CRAIG

Bizarre. Bizarre. So that is, I mean, the honest horse, new commentaries, I mean, I reckon it's worth getting some of these. Blu Rays, even for less than ideal films. The Twilight film in particular sounds like it could be quite a bizarre experience to watch for Robert Patterson. Pattinson just kind of melting down. About how he didn't know in certain scenes it was filming. Be intriguing to see. Well, that's been media mothership for another week. Thanks for listening. Next week media mothership is going on location. We're travelling to the United States of America to go to one of America's biggest conventions, Dragon Con 2024. So we'll be over there collecting some new data and some new insights into the media. And popular culture. Gold. So we'll have no upside next week. But stay tuned after that for some fantastic news stories out of Dragon Con that we'll be reporting out of there. So that will be exciting adventure for media mothership. Keep listening now to its radio KPOP Unlimited. Is having a break today, so it will just be some non key pop related tunes and. Keep listening to his radio. After then we'll be Adrian.


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