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Media Mothership Transcription 24 April 2023

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Dr Craig

All right, welcome here to media, mothership on Edge Radio 99.3. We're broadcasting as always out of Nepal. Luna Country in Hobart TAS I'm your host doctor Craig joined as always by Lord Taylor. Hey, Lord Taylor.

Lord Taylor

Hello. The Lord Taylor. Yep, that's me.

Dr Craig

Excellent, excellent. And on this show, we explore how media can shape our understanding of the world around us and increasingly we're provocateurs. Provocateurs. That sounds better. We're disruptors in this experiment. Through our use of AI in particular. So we're continuing that deep dive. As always, we're streaming on edgeradio.org dot AU as well as via YouTube and Twitch. You can get to us via just searching for media mothership. Please feel free to message us in on. Our SMS line at 0488811707 or just in the YouTube or Twitch chat? And we'll do our. Best to recognise that human contact if. Today's topic little bit of news to start off with three news stories, 4 actually a little bit of Simpsons News, Japan News, prime streaming news and then some AI news to set us up for the making media section. Section I'm calling making media Lord Taylor and Craig are experiments with AI chat bots, so we're going to dive further into some of the experiments we're doing with AI chat bots to create. Radio drama. So I have a new radio drama today produced many seconds ago, so it's nice and fresh. We'll be playing that. Hopefully we'll have time for that and it's about Sherlock Holmes and Watson in Hobart TAS, so it's a nice local story and. It's a bit one more teaser I gave the prompt that it needed to refer to current news stories. Ohh in Hobart and Tasmania. There were three three stories that I got it. To generate two of those. Would have been in breach of defamation. Laws. So we're not doing those two. It was a great one on the Council merger announcements, but it involved murder, so I'm not doing that one. We are going to do. Obviously. So there was that. There was, I. I don't know if it's a real news. Story but one of the other news elements that picked up was allegedly there's a a red Tasmanian apple that is. Being brought back or has been lost. I couldn't tell. I tried to search for it. I couldn't find it. It's classic kind of AI trolling of me, right? It's like it's a bit of fake news. For you, Craig. Not just that or the the car that crashed into the police station. So yeah, there are three choices and we'll be playing one of those.

Lord Taylor

OK.

Dr Craig

Which would place us in the least legal issues. Of our broadcasting like. So all that and more here on media mothership on Edge radio. But it's worth it, yes.

Speaker

Right that.

Dr Craig

I like the bluesy vibe. I might get rid of what's called the danzon the passion sting, which is that first one it's a little bit of an assault.

Dr Craig

Although you know kind of Mario Vibe. So yeah, that's.

Speaker

OK.

Dr Craig

Welcome back here to media membership. Vintage Radio Naomi .3 FM. I'm your host Doctor Craig, joined by Lord.

Lord Taylor

Hello again. Thanks for the introduction again.

Dr Craig

Let's jump into the news. So this was from acrack.com article talking about a long buried Simpsons joke which has been dug up. By an intrepid audio engineer. So this article is talking about how a a joke that featured in The Simpsons cartoon. Show was recently archaeologically dug up. I guess, like you can imagine, getting the little brush out and sifting through the detritus which is on top of it to reveal a joke which had. Been hidden so. This interpret what they're defining as an intrepid. Audio engineer used his. To isolate and boost margins, voice in this bit. So the jokes from season three, the episode The Otto Show, which I'm sure everyone remembers of the one of the longest running TV shows ever. So this is the episode where Marge warns Homer and Bart about. This ******** or I think it's just a metal band. Whom is taking Bart 2 and Marge is is making this warning, but it was never. You could never hear it in the original cut because the the set up is that you know home is suffering from tinnitus because in the DVD commentary, Matt Goring and some of the production team referenced. And said it was a a good bit that they'd given March to say, but they can't remember what it was anymore because they'd deliberately tapped it down so it couldn't. Be heard, let's. Listen to it. So this is from the Twitter account UE Rayburn EWWZY Rayburn AY PUR. I've committed to spelling the name, so I thought I'd go for it. So he was the guy that used his editing. Skills to recover this buried piece, so I kind of thought when I found that I thought this would be great. For radio, because it's an audio piece. You won't hear it. Trust me. You you won't hear it. But what? This what this clip is, is it please the entirety of the original piece? Right. And then it plays the DVD commentary discussion of it briefly and then it plays the audio engineers cleaned up version of it where you can almost hear what Marge is saying. So let's listen to this.

Dr Craig

Well, I've. I've seen that clip four times and. And I'm beginning to be able. To hear.

Lord Taylor

It better. I've seen it once. And I've come here.

Dr Craig

Basically, the joke is so of course, Homer doesn't hear. What am I just saying because the tinnitus and says I hear yeah. And takes the kids out. And of course what Mike says is. A warning to Homer that she hopes Bart doesn't pick up the band's attitude towards women, liquor, religion, politics and really anything. So it's kind, it's kind of a funny joke. You know and. And I do like the idea of pop culture archaeology, right? Like with AI in particular going back over forgotten or pieces of of media text which have been lost and and now these kind of forensic fans in their kind of FBI. Clothing trying to recreate a crime scene, so I'm mixing so many started off Indiana Jones Archaeology now, where friends at crime scene fans. But I'm thinking you know, because I know there are a lot of those Doctor Who episodes which were lost and the only things that were left of them. Were, you know, young kids recording it on cassette tape.

Lord Taylor

So it was.

Dr Craig

Just the audio and and recently they've been released on Blu Ray with animated visuals matching the cassette tape audio that they've they've done up. So there there's there's some interesting kind of lost media. That that could be brought back with some type of AI. Hmm. I mean better than those other stories you're hearing of, you know, reanimating dead movie stars by putting them in movies today through CGI. OK, little creepy story two or maybe I should play a little sting to to cleanse. OK, I just need to bring up my music playlist.

Lord Taylor

It is.

Dr Craig

I'm cleansed. Yeah. Yeah. It's tailing new show now. So Japan has completely run out of Pokémon cards. Bum, bum, bum. I need like a little Stinger board. That sound effect comes up. So this was an article in Kotaku. Now, Taylor, you heard something about this? All you read, you'd read the article.

Lord Taylor

No, I I don't. I've seen your show notes and I just know because I've played the game.

Dr Craig

Right. So you've played the card game version.

Lord Taylor

The real version, the this particular one that is referring to is Pokemon Scarlet and Violet. The most recent one that's come.

Dr Craig

Out right is is that a Nintendo?

Lord Taylor

Game Boy, you're a bit behind the times switch.

Dr Craig

What do we? OK. Yes, of course. That so this is for the new Nintendo Switch system, but I think this is also referring so the cards must also be somewhere linked to this as well. So the articles. Talking about the Japans completely run out influenza Pocky Fluenz A, which I had no idea what that word meant, sent me into a real moment of forensic fandom like like am I really behind the scenes that I don't know the pokey fluences around me? So before we go any further, let's define what a pokey fluenz A is. So according to my search on AI, Google and Bing, a pocket fluencia is a person who creates content related to Pokémon games, merchandise, and other related products on social media platforms such as YouTube. Instagram and TikTok. They are usually popular among Pokémon fans and have a large following on the social media platforms. They create content such as gameplay, videos, tutorials, reviews, and unboxing videos, some pokey fluences. Also participate in Pokémon tournaments and events, so at one level it looks like these are real people who call themselves pocket influencers or are deemed to be a Pocky influencer. And they they do. The Twitch and the YouTube, the unpacking and they do tournaments and she tours and so forth. But the articles referring to a rare card of a poky fluencia, which means that in WW. Held in a matter sense in the in the game Pokémon there are Pokey Fluences who have their carts of them. Could you unpack this for me? Do you know? Anything about this?

Lord Taylor

They they don't have cards of them in in the game, I don't think. But but it's like it's because the whole premise of this is Iona in the game, yes, is. A sort of like a Twitch, sort of. In Twitch streamer but not Twitch, but sort of just like streaming online.

Dr Craig

Iono is like a Pokémon trainer.

Lord Taylor

She is a gym.

Dr Craig

Leader gym leader? Yes, I have no idea what. Gym leader is. Is that good? I think.

Lord Taylor

Yeah, yeah. One of the people that you have to battle in order to.

Dr Craig

I got you right, because they have, allegedly they have a super wrecker, which as YouTube.

Lord Taylor

Progress with yeah, yeah.

Dr Craig

Guy put it is the most expensive car card they've ever seen, and it's a card. The owner card is going for 3000. $600.00 US. At the moment. Ohh sorry. Hold on the initial quotes for the clay burst and Snow Hazard card are 3600. The IO1 which we're talking about is 1255 in Japan, so it's U.S. dollars. But what if the?

Lord Taylor

I've got a picture of the.

Dr Craig

Card here. That's going to. OK. So she you know, you're you're cute Japanese anime girl.

Lord Taylor

But it's it's not. It's not really a. A good card in terms of cards because like, you know, Pokemon cards they have, like you can get ones that have, like lenticular ones that have got like, nice little shiny bits on them and stuff like that. But that's just like a normal card, which I can't read Japanese, but it's probably going to be like a really normal effect. As well. So it's just because she is one of the, I suppose, most popular characters within Scarlet and Violet. Yes, that hype. Yeah.

Dr Craig

Yeah, let's see that hype engine has meant that they're not available, that they've just been all gobbled up these cards, and it's interesting cause. Yeah, I guess it does show how the Pokémon card market is, is super competitive space. Incredibly lucrative to make some money in and lose a lot of money at sea as well, and collectors are willing to pay thousands of dollars for a single car. Have you have you seen anything in the card speculation market? It's not your bag.

Lord Taylor

Well, I've got probably like 3000 Pokemon cards myself. Cluding a couple of rare ones but haven't looked and.

Dr Craig

He says nervously, looking around. Have I given away any information that might lead people? To my address.

Lord Taylor

But haven't had, hadn't had to look at it in years, they used to.

Speaker 8

Yes, Sir.

Lord Taylor

Let's look.

Dr Craig

Be worth a lot, right? Well, yeah. So it's so obviously very. Very popular still, and they've. That struggled to meet demand in the Japanese market, so at the moment this is all the Japanese market. I asked Bing what the implications of this would be and it said that an interesting implication is that the popularity of Pokémon cards in Japan may influence other regions and markets, and the new expansion pack is expected to be released globally in 2023 under the name.

Lord Taylor

Aida looks like Paya. Yeah. How do you evolved?

Dr Craig

That might be. OK, I should wear glasses, so we should jump on the speculation market.

Lord Taylor

Yeah, I think I think it will be high here as well because because my ones which are in, I've got the English Pokemon cards. One of them I've got is I think it's worth $410 or something like that. In the English market.

Dr Craig

You know, there's an interesting cause I the. The latest Pokemon card. Scandal. I remember not getting involved, but seeing was in McDonald's where they were giving away Pokémon cards with happy Meals and card speculators were just buying tonnes of Pokémon Happy Meals to try and corner the market on these cards. And not eating the happy meals. Just getting it for the cards. What? Would Karl Marx say, you know, that we have great case of use value versus exchange?

Speaker 9

Value or is it?

Dr Craig

That's one of the values you use value. Of course you think you're buying a pocket, you're buying the happy meal to eat burgers and food. Yet some people are more interested in the kind of ancillary thing which is free in a way.

Lord Taylor

But that that reminds me of, like Kpop albums. Because like usually when you go through like a distributor, you can buy if you buy like 20, you get a chance of getting. A specifically special like card of one of the members, and so you'll get people and they they basically buy.

Dr Craig

Right.

Lord Taylor

Up, you know, 1000 like CD's to try and get one of these special cards and then they get it and they can go on and sell that for like, you know, 20,000 or whatever and just dump the CD's.

Dr Craig

Yes. Yeah, well. Yeah. And the danger there is I forget the. Name of the theory around. Confirmation bias. I think it is where on the Internet you might only hear about the people who have been successful in that game, but forgetting the fact that you're not going. To hear about all the people. That have squandered a small fortune trying to play the odds to get that super rare object to them. But again, most people wouldn't even. Some people wouldn't even sell that right there. They'd be collectors who would just fetishize that true. Unhealthy. Well, yeah. Look and and that model that, that model of creating desire just fascinates me that, you know, it's outstripped any moment of. Actual needs that are being catered for, it's. Yeah. So it is a fascinating thing. And again, we have learned a new word today, Pocky Fluences. We're going to get some Pocky fluences on the show. Are you a pocky fluency? To contact us.

Lord Taylor

Now I mean, I mean that's the thing because I don't think before this game Kate game came out, there was pokey. Influences, but now there is, because this is a thing now.

Dr Craig

See media reality media shapes the reality around us. If it's in a Pokémon episode that says this word, then it will bleed into reality and it's really at media mothership on there going to try to pitch my script. Are they still doing the Pokémon cartoon?

Lord Taylor

Yeah, because yeah, because, you know, you know, ash, in the Pokémon cartoon.

Dr Craig

I'm gonna pitch. My skirt for them.

Lord Taylor

He's leaving.

Dr Craig

All right. Well, I do think I came.

Speaker 4

Or something like this same face.

Lord Taylor

Across. Yeah, and everyone's all going mental over it.

Dr Craig

We might pick that up next. Why not? But yeah, there you. Go. So Pokemon cards are limited. You might not need subtitles with prime videos. New feature for a while. I've been looking at the fact that a lot of people just put subtitles on when they're watching stream videos, right? So so many streaming channels. They're like my kids do it, they'll they can't watch it without. Subtitles on. And a lot of it's talking about how the audio mix often means that it's difficult to pick up dialogue. Yeah. So allegedly, Prime Video. One of the streaming Amazon streaming channel is has has a feature called Dialogue Boost, right where you can select it's not all. All of their media that they've got on this stream channel, but some of them will have this thing called dialogue boost where if you select it, it increases the volume of the spoken dialogue while leaving everything else the same. So this article in how to Geek speculates that this is addressing the fact that a lot more people are listening to or watching TV with subtitles. Do you were you subtitles when you're.

Lord Taylor

Sometimes I guess if it's a foreign language film. Obviously, but also if you're watching. Sorry to bring us back to it, but Korean media, yes, all of their TV shows have got subtitles no matter what it is. All of them basically. All of them.

Dr Craig

Are we talking about something in terms of like big bold graphics that highlight a particular exclamation from like a variety show kind of level sometimes?

Lord Taylor

They've they've got variety show ones and then just everything that's ever said down the bottom as well.

Dr Craig

Really as standard.

Lord Taylor

As standard as default. Wow.

Dr Craig

Yeah, because I know you can select closed caption for some television in Australia and on YouTube as well. You can use that out. You know the smart subtitles. If you wanna risk it. OK. I had not realised that. Certainly in in Japanese media I've seen on the. Variety of shows. They treat it as an art form. I imagine career as well where yeah, the the text component of the visuals is possibly even better than the. Actual performance you see.

Lord Taylor

Yeah, it's an integral part of the.

Dr Craig

Storytelling. Yeah. So that is interesting in terms of that dialogue, but it's. As because there have been moments where I've been watching a movie and have had to put subtitles on and replaced because I just haven't been able to hear what a certain scene is and the audio mix may have been designed for a cinema audience or a cinema speaker system. But yeah, my crappy home. Speakers are not picking that up, so yeah, yeah, certainly. But it's interesting. Yeah, because my, my kids kind of just shut down if it's not subtitled, it's like, well, I'm going to look at. My phone then. I'm just gonna use that as wrap up music if. You're starting to blather on. Just gonna play that song. I should give you that power. I think of the two of us. I'm the one that's printer keep talking. The last story I want to go on about is AI isn't a threat. Boris Johnson. Brilliant. Sorry. Sorry, Boris, for mispronouncing your German surname. Whose fake photo duped the Sony judges and he's hit back now. So this is the German artist who caused an uproar this way. When he revealed the photo that won a prestigious award, wasn't what it seemed he he received the award, but he said he couldn't receive like, you know he could, he said he couldn't receive the award because he'd actually created it with AI to make a point and Boris's. Widow was one of the winners and at the time the judges didn't realise it was generated by AI. It's it's it's, it's quite a striking piece in terms of. It it portrays I I think it's two generations that the captions, two generation and it's kind of a a retro style picture.

Lord Taylor

Ohh yeah.

Dr Craig

So he defended his use of AI as a creative tool and argued that it's no threat to photography. It's a new form of expression, so it's a really, you know, he was trying to make a. Kind of point about it. You know, saying that if we have to embrace it. So it does raise a number of interesting question. You know how AI is changing the landscape of photography and art, given that photography was the disruptive technology for art back in the day, that is that you know, you had you still have today fine art portraiture, but pre photography that was the only portraiture you had. And then photography came around. And completely disrupted that. Art form. It's not like fine art went away or or fine art portraiture. Went away it. It merged and it became different things. Photography itself developed into a profession, so he's, I think trying to speak to a similar space. Yeah, but it certainly does show. I guess the point trying to say that the creative potential and challenges of working with AI as an artist. You know that at the. Moment. There's a there's a real. Binary like you're either still doing non AI based stuff or you're starting to do AI stuff and your work is suspect or kind of you know it's it's part of the threat. How do you feel? I know. You do music. You do music.

Lord Taylor

I'm I do music, but I'm just looking at the the photograph here.

Dr Craig

Ohh can you tell? Yes. Yeah. Well, we know though. I mean, it's all framed within this is an AI.

Lord Taylor

But even if it wasn't for the 10.

Dr Craig

OK. In terms of?

Lord Taylor

And the fact that the older ladies face is sort of like melting down into.

Dr Craig

Slightly, I mean, but that's why I assume he gave it this kind of retro 1920s veneer to it to try and hide some of the tails for AI. But again this probably. Occurred, UM a little bit ago in terms. Of you know, I think people weren't quite as. As as alert it is becoming one of those new things I've noticed a number of articles flagging. How to tell if something's a I was one. I didn't read it. But I did think the headline how to know. If your **** is. AI the top ten tell signs your **** is. Yeah, because yeah, there's quite a few people allegedly circulating AI **** or not. **** of AI weird like a kind of Futurama episode with Bender.

Lord Taylor

Thinking about cause got this whole thing about fake photos and fooling judges. It just reminds me of the fake photo of was it the sun that was?

Dr Craig

Yeah, this was one by a backfire in terms of my view on it, it was a. Scientist who posted. It on Twitter, I think a capture an image of, you know latest space. Telescope captures never before seen image of Sun going through some particular momentous occurrence. And then a few days later, he spouted by saying it's actually, yeah, a cross section of my salami. That or his chorizo or something that he'd photographed.

Speaker

So love it.

Dr Craig

And and again he did this, allegedly in his defence, to get people to be more critical and aware of fake science. But people pointed out. But you're a scientist. Creating fake science to prove that point. Therefore you are as corrupt as your and this is always the problem when you're trying to do a a a gotcha point or what's it called, a kind of a prank.

Lord Taylor

Make point of your own.

Dr Craig

Where you're trying to demonstrate how bad racism is by performing racism well, you've done it and you've become that, right? And and for some people, they. Yeah, but you're right. Yeah. Look, I think it does open up a whole set of questions around, you know, the type of future collaboration that might be there. I mean, we're collaborating with AI. Yeah.

Lord Taylor

It's it's going well.

Speaker 9

Yes, yeah, yeah.

Dr Craig

So, so that was the article AI. Isn't a threat. On the fake photography. Point there. Hey, you're listening to media mothership on. His radio. Now we're at the. At the making media section, experiments with A and I chat bots and I thought one I'd like to start off this by doing is defining some key terms.

Lord Taylor

But you're not going to be defining the. Terms are you?

Dr Craig

I'm I'm going. To be in conversation, live in live conversation with pre prepared AI prompts that have asked this question. So the first piece I want to play, I should concluded the prompt that I'd asked with it, but this one was. What's the macro term that's used to? Define chat bots use ChatGPT and so forth. So I plugged that into. At the moment I'm experimenting with the Bing chats. On Edge the Internet edge. And this was their definition.

Bing AI Chatbot

The macro category that refers to ChatGPT and other chat software is natural language processing NLP. NLP is a subfield of artificial intelligence that focuses on enabling computers to understand, interpret, and generate human language. ChatGPT is a natural language processing tool driven by AI technology that allows you to have human like conversations and much more with the chatbot. It uses generative pre trained transformer GPT technology which is a deep learning technology that uses artificial neural networks to write like a human to the power of 1.

Dr Craig

Right, like a human to the power of 1. What's that mean? I don't get it. It had me up until the end, three points to make from this definition, one is is. Does anyone I I did a quick news search. I typed in NLP to see if NLP features in news articles. It does so natural language processing.

Lord Taylor

But some of it would also be neurolinguistic programming as. Well, would it? Yeah.

Dr Craig

Yeah. OK. So yeah, I think we just threw that out. I'm not using NLP because it does sound like a political term as well, or something that the Nationalist Socialist League or. But that, that's that's that's the. Broader term it it gives this space natural language processing which enforces the idea that of course you know when you use ChatGPT it always comes up with that warning that this is a conversation software. It's not a search software, you know. Please don't use this to then go ahead and define your life. It's just mimicking conversation. It's interesting to me also that that this definition, yeah, just highlights the fact that it's all about AI trying to create human like conversations as the goal. But I'm fascinated by the idea that it to the power of woman as a deep link. Uses artificial neural networks to write like a human.

Lord Taylor

Like a human to the power of 1 means exactly like a human.

Dr Craig

To the only in a I would. Say it that way. But I'm going to start. Using it in my conversations. It's like, how could you use it when you're buying groceries? I wonder, I would like. Eat tomato to the power of 1, just the one tomato. I'm going to have to look up that term to the power of 1 anyway, so that didn't really satisfy me in terms of being useful. To to continuing with the discussion. So what I did then was to ask it how it defined itself, how this was using. Chat chat. So I said OK, how do you cheque has been chat defined and this is what it said.

Bing AI Chatbot

Bing Chat is an AI chatbot experience from Microsoft based on the popular ChatGPT version. Four large language model LLM. From open AI to offer similar responses to how humans will answer questions. It is integrated into the Bing search engine and is accessible through the bing.com website or Bing mobile app.

Dr Craig

I think pitch much product placement.

Bing AI Chatbot

Bing Chat understands the context of your question and replies back with an answer. In a human way. It uses ChatGPT to get relevant answers from the web superscript 1. Bing Chat is designed to be a simple, convenient and secure way to communicate with friends, family, colleagues and customers. Bing Chat is still a relatively new technology and has some limitations. It may not always provide accurate answers to complex questions. It may also have difficulty understanding certain accents or dialect. Additionally, it may not be able to provide answers to questions that require a lot of context or background information. Bing Chat is constantly being improved and updated with new features and capabilities. Some other limitations of Bing chat include its inability to understand sarcasm or humour. It may also have difficulty understanding questions that are phrased in an unusual or unconventional way. Additionally, Bing chat may not be able to provide answers to questions that require a lot of context or background information.

Dr Craig

I feel like those are just disclaimers we have to play at the start of our. Episodes now. It's like we might not be able to. Answer Questions we're proposing in our shows. Did any of that speak to you? Like they've got the large language model MLM. I don't know what that means.

Lord Taylor

It's like a like a data set I suppose.

Dr Craig

Yes, yes, sorry. Just got a message saying I love the goofy drawing on the whiteboard. Looks like my sleep paralysis demon.

Lord Taylor

It is.

Dr Craig

Yeah. OK. So yeah, in the studio, we're doing a video recording as well and it does play out against the wonderful new artwork, which is in the studio. So worth coming down if you want to do a bit of media tourism where here every selling tickets. So yeah, look, it is interesting and look, the limitations certainly need to be highlighted. So I guess it was useful to do that and yeah the the main thing I'm using this to set up is the idea of what the limitations and possibilities are for using ChatGPT to create stories. And and I I I I want to head into some of the experiments, I guess I've been creating right there and there's one more bit the the the the key debates which are centred around chat bots. Which I might play.

Lord Taylor

If we're lucky.

Dr Craig

Well, it's all about suspense, right? Yes, so cause I also wanted one more thing about this was trying to set up. How we can use these chats? Pieces to create stories. So here's what it says about creating stories with AI just as a setup to the short term stuff we've. Been doing.

Bing AI Chatbot

Chat AI is a technology that can generate fictional stories based on user input, such as keywords, prompts, or genres.

Dr Craig

So we kind of did that with the Sherlock piece we gave it about 12 Sherlock Holmes 19, fifty 1940s to 50s radio drama scripts.

Bing AI Chatbot

However, using chat AI for this purpose also raises some ethical and creative issue.

Dr Craig

Did we consider the ethics? We didn't. I did. Ohh I did as well of course. It was there top of my head, what were OK? Well, what were the ethics that you? Thought of well, I thought of public domain, right?

Lord Taylor

Public main source, yeah.

Dr Craig

So making sure that this material is out of copyright.

Lord Taylor

But even yeah, even with my Harry Potter ones, of course. Changing it enough so that it's gone through a robot and a person to make it enough difference.

Dr Craig

Yeah, because there is this category within at least in the US, it operates the the transformative works argument that you've transformed the work so much that it's it's not simply selling. The same 1 to 1 to the power of 1. Exactly copy of Harry Potter. It's it's transform would have worked. And also you're not, I guess, seeking money for. Let's see what the AI said was on the ethics issues.

Bing AI Chatbot

Here are some of the key debates around using chat AI to create fictional stories.

Dr Craig

All right. OK. We'll judge ourselves through this. I want to say. Yeah, that transformative aspect.

Bing AI Chatbot

How original are the stories generated by Chad AI? Do they infringe on the intellectual property rights of other authors or sources?

Dr Craig

It's a good point. Yeah. And again you. Either work in the public domain. It's not only in copyright. It completely removes that question from a problem or very much being able to. Transform that piece past.

Bing AI Chatbot

How can chat AI avoid plagiarism or duplication of existing stories? Quality. How good are the stories generated by chat AI? Do they follow the rules of grammar, logic and coherence?

Dr Craig

And that's been a fun. Bit about why we chose using the Google Collabs to create the content cause we knew it was. It wasn't going to work as as a piece.

Bing AI Chatbot

How can chat AI improve the quality of its stories and avoid errors or inconsistencies? Creativity. How creative are the stories generated by chat AI? Do they reflect the user's preferences, personality and style? How can chat AI enhance the creativity of its stories and offer novel and diverse perspective?

Dr Craig

Yeah. I mean, I think that creativity aspect can occur once humans start getting involved in what's going on with this story and start teasing and pushing it out further because, yeah, there's some like, I, I I feel it just gets you beyond that blank page moments. It gives you some text to then work with to. Iterate on to create something novel and unusual through further juxtapositions.

Bing AI Chatbot

Responsibility. How responsible are the users and developers of chat AI for the stories they create? Do they respect the cultural, social and moral values of their audiences and communities?

Dr Craig

Yeah. And I don't think Chaya does, I mean Chaya is in no way and in fact there was a piece that I created that I put on the discord channel about creating a media mothership intro in the style of Monty Python, which delivered this really off colour.

Lord Taylor

Joke. No, I didn't.

Dr Craig

Did you read it on the Discord channel? Yeah. And then you come to the Discord channel to read the most. Off colour joke I've. Read since being a teenager in high school, maybe it was deliberately going for that kind of 1970s, politically incorrect. As well.

Lord Taylor

I'm just taking a look at it now.

Dr Craig

Yeah, but it really was kind of it had. Yeah, I won't. Even say it on it.

Bing AI Chatbot

How can chat AI ensure that its stories do not harm or offend anyone?

Dr Craig

Yeah. And I think that involves still a human operator to intercede and and biggie cheesy has made another comment that he feels that drawing looks like a Kardashian without the mountain of makeup on it.

Lord Taylor

Yeah, I can see that. Yeah, yeah.

Dr Craig

Let's I wonder if that's a chat bot. I doubt all humans now alright, so again this is getting us to this point where I'd decided to look at those four issues. Originality, quality, creativity, responsibility that are getting. Asked about Chad I A to create a piece, so let's well, let's jump straight in because what I wanted to do was to see what I could create from the show, like homes pieces that might be kind of unusual or interesting. So I'd asked it to create a Sherlock. Holmes. Yeah. You're reading the joke. Joke and I could.

Lord Taylor

What did you put that?

Dr Craig

I I was so flummoxed. Yeah. Up with. That whole routine, I I I mean, you reckon I could put. That to air.

Lord Taylor

I suppose.

Dr Craig

I might. I'll. I'll send it to. The boss. There's a bit of a teaser for next week. Can we play an off colour joke like that anyway? So what I want to do now is play. This experiment of seeing how we could take. The concept of Sherlock Holmes and Watson to generate something unusual around a complacent space like, you know, living in the place you live in, can it turn it into something interesting? So I'd asked it to create Sherlock and Taz. So this is this is its pitch. To create a story about Sherlock Holmes and what's coming to Tasmania.

Bing AI Chatbot

Imagine the world's greatest detective arriving in Australia's island state, accompanied by his loyal friend and biographer Doctor Watson. They are hired by a mysterious client who claims to have uncovered a plot to sabotage the local government reform that would reduce the number of councils from 29 to 9.

Dr Craig

Oh yeah, I should say. Asked to make reference to current news stories, but broadly so. There's no murder plot in this one.

Bing AI Chatbot

The client suspects that someone is behind the deliberate running of the Clarence Plains police station. The confusion over the urgent care centres and the disappearance of a rare variety of Tasmanian apple.

Dr Craig

Yeah, I couldn't find any evidence that a rare variety of Tasmanian airport has disappeared, but maybe I'm missing something. I think the the other stories are real ones. The Clarence police station getting rammed and the Council. Malcolm's idea about the red Tasmanian apples.

Bing AI Chatbot

Sherlock and Watson have to navigate the unfamiliar terrain and culture of Hobart while dealing with suspicious locals, hostile authorities and a cunning adversary. Along the way, they encounter some of the city's landmarks, such as the Salamanca market, the Molin Museum and the Mount Wellington Summit.

Dr Craig

Such a tourism Taz kind of shift, I can just imagine a tourism Taz kind of like someone in short comes cosplay and they got this whole big concept that. Yeah, they why? Why are they there? I don't know, but we need the tourists.

Bing AI Chatbot

They also learn. About Tasmania's history, wildlife and cuisine. Will Sherlock be able to crack the case before it's too late? Will Watson find love in the land down under? Will they ever get used to Vegemite? Find out in my imaginary story, Sherlock Holmes and the Hobart conspiracy.

Dr Craig

It's cute. It's kind of cute, right? I mean, it it it I I think I selected the funny answer for this as well. So it yeah, the Vegemite be it. I like, well, Watson find love because that is very much a kind of. You know one of those high concept Hollywood movie pictures. Or we could go to screen Taz. Yeah. With that idea goes for funding from tourism Taz. Would you be? What's what's in your homes? Definitely. Yeah. Yeah. We'll have to think of how we can cast ourselves homes. Maybe we could both be Watson.

Dr Craig

OK, great news from the chat BTZ has. Has said that he's not a bot or they're. Not a bot, brilliant, but. That would be cool if they were, they say.

Lord Taylor

Yeah. Yeah. Might even be cooler. And then.

Dr Craig

What is the emoji?

Lord Taylor

Some great noise from your microphone.

Dr Craig

It is, ah, I need my glasses anyway. So then I asked CHPT to create an entire radio script for a news story, and it created three. As I mentioned, this is the one that I've decided to go with. It's it's. It's titled as the Mystery of the Ramming Car and. Random guy.

Dr Craig

Dull, silly. Name the mystery of the ramming car. What did the car do? It ran well. Not not a mystery. Then. It was the car. Autonomous. Was it? Like kit or something that screw the ramming car?

Lord Taylor

It could be.

Dr Craig

Ooh, ooh. Not to a good start.

Lord Taylor

Yeah, the mystery of the pocket fluff, the mystery of the spare.

Dr Craig

Change it is like a learning to read book. Ohh gosh from junior. In school. OK. Yeah. So will this be a learning to read book from Junior primary school? So here it is. The mystery of the ramming car now, what's interesting to me about this one as composed compared to the one that we created. So I guess I could quickly play that one again. So the one we created, which was really nonsensical and this is one created through. You know, kind of chat bot powered new system. So we'll play the original text. First, which we chose. Because it doesn't make sense. And then I'll play the mystery of the ramming car just so we get a sense of what works and what doesn't.

Dr Craig

Still gets me at the end. The Great French accent voice. Yeah. So very judge. What? That is. So. Yeah, it's an absurdist piece of nonsensical. OK, so here's the Sherlock. In Taz, the the mystery of the running.

<<<<< Radio Drama Sherlock Holmes in Tasmania >>>>>>

Dr Craig

Ohh I know God Dan that's forever. Ohh putting that together it feel like oh this will have a great payoff. That is a slow story. That is a slow story and the delivery is so slow. Ohh.

Speaker

My hammer. Ohh man.

Dr Craig

I mean. It was, yeah, that took a whole afternoon. Compiled those voices together. Just for that when? I read it, I thought. Ohh yeah. That's cute ending it was Sherlock Holmes's name on the rental car, didn't see that coming. Because of course this is a current news article that a car did indeed ran into the Clarence police station. I don't know if they found who's done it yet, and I thought wouldn't be fun to. Have Sherlock Holmes investigate this. No, it's. It's slow and ponderous. Ohh. I'm gonna have to have that as a new chat prompt. Do not make the story. Slow and ponderous. I think part of the issue is once you do it with AI voices as well, you can calibrate their emotional state, but it's so finicky. I I'm going to get some of the interns. To do it, I cannot. I don't have the patience. For it, Biggie cheesy has made some comments about how Sherlock and Watson law right now is going crazy to school. Allegedly. You know, teachers are but, but teachers are not signing this masterpiece. They're pointing out. Maybe this could be the new masterpiece they could assign. *** ****, that was just ohh.

Lord Taylor

Mystery of the.

Dr Craig

Ramming car. Maybe I speed it up twice. Ohh, I yeah, I did that. Well advance media mothership. I was really looking forward to playing that on air. You know, it's just not the art that I thought. Well, you know, sometimes you make something and you're rushing it on. You're thinking, yes. And then you're playing and you're thinking ohh, this should have been half as long. Ah man. Alright, so next week, next week, next week. What I wanna do is set up this idea of cause. Yeah, I think I think we were vindicated in terms of starting with bad processing, right, really warts and all storytelling. That is unintelligible and absurd. And then trying to unpack that in an interesting way, because next week what I want to do is go into some of the other work I was doing, which was applying theories to that unintelligible nonsensical text we created asking for it, for instance, to reveal how this can make sense in terms of understanding the theory of ideology. And there was some stunning results. All this and more next week on Medium mothership and Radio 99.3 FM with. Doctor Taylor and Lord craggs. See I my mind can't do. Two things at once, alright. Well, any, any any concluding remarks?

Lord Taylor

OK. OK. So sorry, I'll just make up a concluding remark then. So you can be doing. Whatever you're doing. Yeah, that's what ChatGPT is, and hopefully next week I'll be able to.

Dr Craig

You have some sessions, right? You. No, you don't have any confessions? No.

Lord Taylor

Sessions, but it will be explored next week with. Me. Yeah, writing something that doesn't exist and trying to pass it off as something that.

Dr Craig

Does exist, so you can listen to previous episodes on YouTube and Twitch and Edge. Radio.org dot. AU, you can get in touch with us via Facebook and Discord. We've got Instagram and Tick Tock now. If you've enjoyed listening, there's other pop culture show on Edge Radio. Like millennial think doesn't come with some other stuff. Come out next key. Pop unlimited. Yeah. Whoa with us. Again, yeah, so. Thanks for listening this week to. This takes forever to get the back down. OK, that's right. 99.3 FM.






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