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Melding Media and Mandela Effect Moments

Episode 76 - With host Craig Norris and cohost Taylor Lidstone.
First Broadcast on Edge Radio, 7th June 2024.


We explore the “Baldur’s Gate 3" mod that brings Sir David Attenborough’s voice to the gameplay with his iconic narration. The PSA featuring Deadpool & Wolverine, humorously urging cinema audiences to silence their phones, the contentious YouTube copyright issue where a washing machine chime led to a copystrike, sparking debate over copyright enforcement. Viggo Mortensen’s homage to “Lord of the Rings” by sneaking his movie sword into a new film is highlighted. The topic for this week is the psychological phenomenon of the Mandela Effect, with examples that question collective memories of famous movie scenes. Concluding with a light-hearted segment on 50 hilarious live TV moments.


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CRAIG NORRIS

Hey, you're listening to Edge Radio 99.3 FM. This is media mothership for another week on your streaming services and so forth. We're broadcasting out of ****** Luna. Tasmania, The Edge radio. Equipment here and today will be your guide as we explore the media shaping our understanding of the world around us. I'm your host, as always, Doctor Craig joined. By my co-host. It's trying to think of an adjective. Lord Taylor. Hey, Lord.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

Taylor, the adjective Lord Taylor, that's me.

CRAIG NORRIS

Yeah titled up. So yes, we're streaming as always on edgeradio.org dot AU as well as on YouTube and Twitch, you can find us by just searching media mothership. We're also on the DAB digital audio.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

Yeah. Zone one broadcast. Whatever. Yeah.

CRAIG NORRIS

And your FM system on 99.3 FM. If you're within a I don't know, 10 metre radius, a little little bigger than that. So do message us on the chat via YouTube or Twitch or SMS US on 0488811. 707. Today's topic, we're going to get around to the concept referred to as the Mandela effect. Ohh. Fantastic. Named after Nelson Mandela. But before we do that, I do have a bunch of exciting breaking news stories to.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

Get to cool.

CRAIG NORRIS

So my first story is from Boulders gate 3, boulders Gate 3. The third boulders gate movie, which I know you've been playing right.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

Well, Taylor. Yeah, have. I haven't played it for a while actually. And.

CRAIG NORRIS

I've never finished the game. Well, this might inspire you. Yeah, this is on how to geek, and it's an article that explains. Title is one to play. Boulders Gate 3 with. Attend bar AI Voicemod makes this possible. The Burra of atom.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

Dumbara.

CRAIG NORRIS

So David Attenborough, the well known documentarist nature documentarist. Yeah, someone has inevitably put a mod into the game engine of boulders gate three that revoices the narration as David Attenborough, so it's quite clever. And I did find a little audio sample. That will listen to.

Speaker 5

Last.

CRAIG NORRIS

Uh. Sorry, I'll just skip this. To the bit when it actually happens, because what I found really fascinating about it is that it's had to be quite clever in leaving the other dialogue. In the original voice actors, so the characters are all still voiced in their voices, but then just when the narrator kicks in to explain what's happening, you get this wonder. For documentary, you're in vibe.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

That's not very clever though, is it? Because if you think about how voice lines are within the game.

CRAIG NORRIS

Right. Well. They're all discrete.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

Little files. They're all discrete little files of like, usually within a character's own folder.

CRAIG NORRIS

So we'll just, you know, delete these files and. Replace. With. Well, let's hear how how, how it all comes together.

Speaker 6

Immediately your mind is swept into a greater vortex. The zionic storm with winds phara at its centre. Her torturers are not dominating her. They are destroying her mental defences and exposing her to something else. The absolute.

CRAIG NORRIS

Well, have you got to that scene?

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

Yet I guess.

CRAIG NORRIS

So what do you think the Dave Van Vera voice does? It transport you as if you're in a. Documentary.

Speaker 8

I mean it's.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

It's pretty good, but at the same time it doesn't sound enough like.

CRAIG NORRIS

I I yeah, yeah, yeah. And it it does sound a very AI as opposed to.

Speaker 7

See.

CRAIG NORRIS

My literal human voice, then, which struggled to make a sentence which would be at least human. Whereas yeah. Yeah, the perils of the Air Force. Well, look, I mean, there's there's a proof of concept. It's really interesting. Of course it does. Again, set up that parallelism question of ownership. Obviously, David Attenborough probably didn't give his permission for this modification to be done. Yeah, so yeah, look, while it's, I mean, I guess it's a free little mod, as mods often are.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

Mm-hmm.

CRAIG NORRIS

That you can play in the game that will, I guess, you know, I guess the appeal is that you know it's it's a fantasy game. Boulders Gate set the dungeon Dragons world, so it is kind of fun having a documentary, well known documentary voice. David Attenborough suddenly dropped into the game. And it immediately puts you into that position of, you know, you're you're you're being, you're getting an explanation of something. The courtship methods, the the life cycle of humanity. So it does give it that idea of gravitas. It does draw upon David and I don't think ever done a voice over for a video game. I think, oh, is that is there a?

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

Message. Yeah, I've, I've. I've got a I've got a phone call. That's weird.

CRAIG NORRIS

Is it? Is it David?

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

Edinburgh, it might be. You never know.

CRAIG NORRIS

Saying what the heck are you doing?

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

He's going to look that up, make sure it's not important.

CRAIG NORRIS

Ohh here you go. Live privacy analysis here. They're probably reaching out to us at the studio offering us a deal to voice over borders Gate 4.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

Yeah. Probably.

CRAIG NORRIS

And that goes alright. Next article, while you're multitasking is Deadpool and Wolverine.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

Ohh that's who it is. Deadpool, no wine. Wine. People trying to sell me wine. Boxes of wine? Yeah.

CRAIG NORRIS

My ohh this this happened. There you go. You're hearing it here. The scams coming thick and fast. Into the media Mothership studios because, you know, we are pretty much Ground Zero.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

Hmm.

CRAIG NORRIS

I don't know what for, but Zero's there. There's a little interesting article here, Deadpool and Wolverine current movie that's getting kind of rave excitement, I'd say is it rave excitement anyway.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

Block that number, sorry.

CRAIG NORRIS

Remind.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

I've never seen the first one, OK? Or is there a second one I've never seen?

CRAIG NORRIS

I well this is this 2 Deadpool movies. Right. So this would be the third one. And and both those have been met very positively by audiences and critics, this one's the bringing in Hugh Jackman to return to his role as Wolverine. Of course, the the just this little whimsical clip that was reported on in Gizmondo, which is the second time I found an article being reported on. For the. The. Silence your phone message you receive before you watch the movie, right? So if you're in the cinema, there will be a kind of ad.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

This is a very pointed reminder to me.

CRAIG NORRIS

This is right. This is why we're doing this. That comes on saying, please silence your phone. You're in the cinema. No one wants to hear your. Exactly so.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

You're in the radio station. You're on air.

CRAIG NORRIS

In a way, you've demonstrated the the the urgent need for this, the fact that people need to be reminded still to turn their mobile phones off. So this is kind of fun because it's the PSA, the service announcement that plays at the front before you. Watch the movie so. In this scene, Wolverine, played by Hugh Jackman and Deadpool, played by Ryan Reynolds walking down this kind of corridor and. This is what happens.

Speaker 9

So I heard secret wars is finally gonna introduce. You get reception down.

Speaker 10

Here I don't have a phone.

Speaker 9

It's coming from out there.

Speaker 5

Hey, bub.

Speaker 10

You're in a movie theatre, not the courtroom, and your mom's nursing home. So turn the phone to silent or I'll shove it so far up you, you'll have to answer. It through your no, no.

Speaker 9

No, no, no, no, no, no, no. He's so much testosterone. God, would you yell like that? It makes my vibrate. At least I think it's not. Listen, just turn your phones off or put them on silent. You know, whatever you prefer. I'm. A new I'm. Going to take his neck fans for a walk now enjoy the film. Nice 4th wall break. I didn't. Think you had it in you shut down. No, no, no, no, no, no, they do not like that word in America.

CRAIG NORRIS

I mean it's it's, it's clever.

Speaker 9

Nothing.

CRAIG NORRIS

To tell a message which everyone's kind of exhausted by, and there's probably a lot of people just tune out when that message comes on in the cinema. So this is a kind of clever way of getting people to actually go. OK. Yeah, yeah, I'm paying attention. I can hear this. And yeah, I will turn my phone.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

Off I will turn my phone off as long as.

CRAIG NORRIS

Yeah, yeah. As very passive aggressive of me as.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

Long as. They remove the. Me bank ads and the Amy ads from the cinema.

CRAIG NORRIS

Do you turn? You don't turn your phone off. Typically at the at. As a political statement like, you know, these ads are intruding upon my sense of yeah, movie watching.

Speaker 11

Yeah.

CRAIG NORRIS

They.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

Treating upon my intelligence intruding upon my way of life.

Speaker 12

Therefore.

Speaker

Yeah.

CRAIG NORRIS

Don't you think there's a kind of, you know, collective? Morality there that you're also annoying other people around.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

You. Yeah, but come on. I'm a millennial.

CRAIG NORRIS

For him. Ohh yeah, you're not helping anyone.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

I'm very self centred.

CRAIG NORRIS

All right. Well talking. You're not helping anyone. And the annoyance of sounds, this is a fun little article out of decks or titled YouTuber. Furious after video gets copy strike for washing machine sound.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

That's fun.

CRAIG NORRIS

This is a hilarious article where a YouTuber was doing a stream and after it was published he found that that video got a copyright strike for including the Jingle from a Samsung washing machine. Putting your mic on until you stop you.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

Finished.

CRAIG NORRIS

Causing him to call out the platform. The YouTube as as fraudulent content ID claims right? Because clearly this Samsung. You know your cycle spin cycles finished is is not a copyright music piece that can somehow demonetize a YouTube piece, but nevertheless because someone has. Being able to upload what it turned out was that this notorious guy had been able to upload the sound, so the article goes on to talk about how it goes back to 2024. May 27th. Norwegian YouTuber. Albino. Was playing New Vegas and equally got done by this music artist called Eduardo, right? So this is allegedly, you know, this YouTube channel called ADA ago had recorded the sound of the Samsung machine and uploaded it as his. Creative. Content. And connected it to monetization. No demonetization thing. So now whenever that sound has. Heard it would trigger a copyright claim. Going back to this guys's just you know, he just recorded it from the the the sound of it. So he doesn't own the music, he doesn't own Samsung, of course, but nevertheless he's been able to draw money out of being the one that uploaded this sound effect.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

Mm-hmm.

CRAIG NORRIS

Of course, the the sound itself is Jingle from the song Die Ford out Di di di di fodder.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

Deep footing.

CRAIG NORRIS

From Austrian composer Franz Sherbert. So we'll. Play it. Sherbert, sherbert. Dave Farrell from France, Sherbert. Let's listen to it now. So we'll demonetize Michael now.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

Exactly.

CRAIG NORRIS

But this is the Samsung washing machine just finishing its spin cycle. So as the guy was finishing his live stream that triggered in the room next to him and YouTube bots pinged him for being in breach of copyright demonetized his clip monetization and went to the guy that had improperly loaded up that. Recording and again you know, it goes to the fact that the, the the monetization thing is just broken in YouTube.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

Mm-hmm. Also, when it comes to washing machine jingles that went on for far too long and was too.

CRAIG NORRIS

Invasive he did. Really did? Yeah. So there's other articles as technical. So picked it up pointing out how washing machine change scandal shows how absurd YouTube copyright abuse can get. So these are people that have just, you know, uploaded. Content they don't own claimed it's theirs. And then when in the background one of these machines goes off and makes that Jingle, it then means that the vloggers, Youtubers, demonetize the monetization stream then goes to that incorrect, incorrect. Channel. So let's see what happens to our channel now. The medium mothership 1.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

Oh, it's going to go down differently.

CRAIG NORRIS

But I want to join that bandwagon and Rage Against the machine saying yes, I too have been abused. Next article from Gizmondo National article kind of transmedia, right? Transmedia storytelling. How prop can be a storytelling device between movies. So Viggo Mortensen? Yeah. Uh snuck his Lord of the Rings, soared into his new movie, the history of violence. Actor put Aragon's sword, Andrew Andrew Anduriel Anduriel into the Western movies, currently making called the Dead, Don't hurt. So Vigo. Mortenson, of course, was the famous character of Aragon in Lord of the Rings, and there's a fantastic sword that he wields. Turns out that he was able to keep that prop after the movie. There he is, filming now a Western, so not a mediaeval fantasy at all. But there's a dream sequence involving a night and he has to ride a horse, and so forth. And he thought, I'm not really a fan of this sort, that I've been given from the prompt department. Hold on. I've got the perfect sword. He did decide to do the right thing. He called Peter Jackson first.

Speaker 9

MHM.

CRAIG NORRIS

And said Peter, do you mind if I use this sword in this Western I'm doing? And Peter Jackson's question was, you know, is it important to the plant? Does it have much significance? And Vigo said, no, not really. It doesn't have any bearing on the film. It's just a dream sequence. And Peter said, look, that'll be fine. You know, we'll probably then saying, you know, look, if it's not a central part. The film then you're not exploiting. You know the the creative talent from Lord of the Rings. It's just a spin-off. And Vigo, interestingly, the article was saying he he went to ask for permission because he knew some fan would out out there would would recognise it even though it's not at all recognisable.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

Yeah.

CRAIG NORRIS

You were saying it first, right? It's in the. It's in the sealed and so forth. So Peter Jackson said no, no, call the studio just to double check. So the studio in this case was also happy to collaborate. And. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

That's very surprising, very surprising.

CRAIG NORRIS

Now in the film, The Dead don't hurt will be the sword from Lord of the Rings, from the character of Aragon, and maybe there's some fan theory that will link those together. Now, as as a central universe, there are those. Like various kind of. Films which fans have then theorised or all related, like there's a connection between X files and I. Think LA law. Because one actor side character actor was pairing on all these different dramas, the Tarantino universe is meant to be all connected because various props appear in all the movies. From, you know, inglorious ******** to Pulp Fiction reservoir dogs, you know, pack of cigarettes, for instance. So yeah, why not swords? Exactly. Why not? Swords. All right, well, that's that's that's the main news bits. So close. So close. For couple of beats. Actually I wanna. I wanna just jump ahead a little bit because one of the things I've been collecting or I I came across this really fun website called the 50 hilarious moments from Live TV. And the reason why I think I empathise so much with it was that we do various. Errors. Ourselves on this show, so I just want to play two or three. There's fifty of them. I just wanna play two or three because normally I feel that I'm creating the show and there will be mistakes, poor timing, audio not working, audio working when it's not meant to.

Speaker

That's. OK.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

Phones going all.

CRAIG NORRIS

Like of, you know and and normally I'm on the receiving end of that in terms of like the, the, the comedy of it is that you know that German term the the what is? It the schadenfreude, yeah. When?

Speaker 8

Shadow.

CRAIG NORRIS

Taking amusements at someone else's suffering. So I was, I was going through this article on Gizmondo 50 hilarious moments from Live TV, which was.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

Why do you put the N? In there which?

CRAIG NORRIS

One gizmondo. Ohh Gizmodo. Yeah, I I obviously. And doing the Mandela effect. I always thought so. The Mandela effect just jumping ahead for a spoiler. Is where you're convo. Something's real and it's not right, so you'll get around to some examples of it, but in this case, yeah, I actually always thought it was Gizmondo Gizmodo. Alright, so there's my own Mandela effect, where I was convinced it's something, but it's not. So Gizmodo basically curated this list from Twitter. Which was a question that was posed about what are the funniest things you've seen on TV? And they're all journalists and what I love about the clips that we'll just have a quick listen to just as a bit of power because I feel like I've made enough. Mistakes now I. Need to laugh at someone else's misfortune? Is this idea of yeah, laughing at people's mistakes and embarrassment?

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

So is this is this like mainly American based?

CRAIG NORRIS

Stuff. Yeah. Yeah. How stefanovic. Yeah. Midway through, which is fantastic. So it's pretty global and it is so fascinating to reflect on why they're so funny. There's a she was straight. Carl. Stephen. So funny, looking at the blunders of others. Yeah. So the the first one. Is just this. Look, when you're reading from a script and the caption for it on Twitter, you know is anchor tip call and you should pause before reading the top story. Alright, so this is from a an anchor on a TV news broadcast. Reading out the breaking story or the top of the news story.

Speaker

M.

CRAIG NORRIS

For the Eyewitness News.

Speaker 7

Good evening. I'm Ken bastida. Dana is off tonight. He was murdered and then set on fire while celebrating his birthday.

CRAIG NORRIS

That's, I mean, just the delivery is.

Speaker 7

Good evening. I'm Ken bastida. Dana is off tonight. He was murdered and then set on fire while celebrating his birthday.

CRAIG NORRIS

It is. It's a lack of any pause, even just a two second pause. I mean, as we know, on radio, dead air is death. Right? Silence is death. So I I I sympathise.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

Yeah.

CRAIG NORRIS

With wanting to make sure you're not doing silence, but in that case, running straight into. You know, say one person won't be there. This one is something that I fear. I lead you into quite a lot where the co-host is not up to speed on what the stories are that are covered.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

OK. OK. Yeah.

CRAIG NORRIS

And chimes in with a point which, if they'd known what the story was, they would never, ever have made. So this is from island. Aim to breakfast. Morning, new show.

Speaker 13

And you're very welcome back now, author Seamus O'Reilly was just five years old when he and his ten siblings, siblings sadly lost their mum.

Speaker 5

10.

Speaker 8

That's.

CRAIG NORRIS

That's, I mean you can't.

Speaker 13

And you're very welcome back now, author Seamus O'Reilly was just five years old when he and his ten siblings, siblings sadly lost their mum.

Speaker

10.

CRAIG NORRIS

She doesn't help at all. His hope that he's just right, he just commits to the script he's just started in ten siblings thinking there's some kind of amusing little pieces about large families, but instead it's the loss of their mum. This is the you still haven't at all committed.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

Yeah.

CRAIG NORRIS

To the phone off at least that was just.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

A Bing that was just a Bing.

CRAIG NORRIS

That was just the. Oh, here we go. This one I find truly of the 50, this is the one that I actually will come back to and potentially put as my phone ringtone. So this is during COVID and this is Alabama.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

OK. MHM.

CRAIG NORRIS

Alabama. Obama Governor Kay Ivy. So the the guy that posted this Twitter said you don't know politics if you don't know this iconic speech by Alabama Governor Kay. IV. So you've got to understand he's there at a press release or. Yeah, he's he's. He's announcing some policy during COVID. Yeah. So we're surrounded by journalists. He's there at the podium delivering this this message. Yeah. And he's a a kind of, you know, one of those typical older statesman type figures.

Speaker 8

They are. We're getting us. Excuse me? A slight increase in the number of doses that we'll be getting to the state.

CRAIG NORRIS

It's one of those ones where the more you listen to it.

Speaker 8

We're getting us. Excuse me? A slight increase in the number of notices that we're getting to the state.

CRAIG NORRIS

Funnier gets it's like it shouldn't. Like, it's so little brown.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

Really.

Speaker 8

We're getting us. Excuse me? A slight increase in the number of doses that since we're getting to the state.

CRAIG NORRIS

It's just solo brow.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

Why are you making me laugh?

CRAIG NORRIS

It's it's, it's. It's from the depths of the digestive tracts. I mean you can. Almost smell it. It's.

Speaker 8

It's we're getting a slight increase in the number of doses that we've been getting to the state.

CRAIG NORRIS

It does make me feel a lot better doing this show you.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

Know I yeah, you've you've never done that. You've not done that yet? No.

CRAIG NORRIS

I'm not. I've not yet done that. So yeah, I mean, look, I've. Found that immensely using if. You are having a rough day. It's worth tracking down on Gizmodo the 50 hilarious moments from live TV. There's tonnes of others we'll play, some other highlights. In future episodes, as they need to relieve my own sense of embarrassment and and mistaken.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

Fantastic.

CRAIG NORRIS

All right. So Next up on the discussion. I'm just getting around to, right, right. So Mandela effect, how masses of people can have the same false memory I want.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

Sharon.

CRAIG NORRIS

To introduce this. Just with a short clip that explains it. Hold on from the yeah. Ohh you wanna get rid of the trending videos? Uh. Yeah. So here we go.

Speaker 2

The Mandela effect refers to a phenomenon in which a large mass of people believe an event occurred when it in fact did not. The term Mandela Effect was first coined in 2009 by Fiona Broom. Broom was at a conference talking with others about how she remembered the tragedy of former South African President Nelson Mandela's death in a South African prison in the late 1980s. However, Nelson Mandela did not die in the 1980s. In a prison he passed away in 2013. Broome learned she was not alone. Other people remembered seeing this coverage of his death, as well as his speech by his widow. So why does this happen? One theory suggests the possibility that alternate realities exist and are mixing with our own timeline.

CRAIG NORRIS

It gets so weird, right?

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

It's just the first. The first thing is there's multiple realities and we're just bleeding through into them.

CRAIG NORRIS

Straight into conspiracy theory. That was. Yeah, that that is odd that it commits to the strangest of all the possible ones. What I want to do is play a few clips. Sorry, I just realised I haven't queued. Up the one that I need to.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

That's good.

Speaker 9

Here.

CRAIG NORRIS

There we go few clips because one of the ones which many people might recognise well is the one that I came across recently from thought catalogue, which was the movie 7. Headline. His seven fans have found a crazy Mandela effect, so again this was just explaining that clip. Mandela's effect is when. You know, you believe absolutely certain something is true, but it turns out it's not. So it's based on the idea that many people believe in 1980, something men Nelson Mandela actually died in gaol, whereas that was not the case. He died later in. Was it 2013 or something? So 7 founds 7 fans have found a crazy Mandela effect. Is your memory wrong about this iconic scene? So we'll set it up by playing the iconic. Scene. I'll just try to find the shortest. Here we go. Here we go. OK.

Speaker

I'll show you where the bars he.

Speaker 11

Was in because I envy your normal life. Things that envy is my sin.

CRAIG NORRIS

Language.

Speaker 8

Ohh what's in the box? What's in the *******?

Speaker 11

Box in the.

CRAIG NORRIS

Gun. Yeah, so that's an insane. Have you seen? Seven, no.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

Oh. OK, I don't know what's.

CRAIG NORRIS

Going on, right, well, see to Detective procedural film and highly taught film really worth watching. It's.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

MHMM.

CRAIG NORRIS

I've got this really iconic scene at the end, so spoilers ahead. Sorry it is an old movie though, so at the end of the movie The Box is delivered to this desert location in the middle of nowhere and our killers there and the two police officers, one played by Bruce Willis and the other played by Morgan Freeman.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

Yes, ma'am.

CRAIG NORRIS

Get this delivery of a box and as we could hear the the Brad Pitt character saying, you know what's in the box, what's in the box, opens the box.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

What was? Full.

Speaker 5

Yes.

Speaker 6

Right.

CRAIG NORRIS

What's in the box?

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

Yeah. OK, go.

CRAIG NORRIS

And. On Twitter or this discussion space, there was this debate as to whether or not you saw what's in the box because many people were posting and saying no, no, no. They saw what was in the box. They have a vivid memory at the end of the.

Speaker 9

OK.

CRAIG NORRIS

Film. Of seeing the head that we know we're told is in the lungs, but this big debate go on and it turns out, actually we never do see in the movie what's in the box. But as a case of people absolutely convinced that. No, no, no, there's definitely a version of the movie.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

Hmm.

CRAIG NORRIS

So you see the head.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

That's in the box, but there.

CRAIG NORRIS

Is no, no, no. The the film version. That is the one that's out there. Does not reveal.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

No directors cut.

CRAIG NORRIS

No directors cut, no nothing. The other one, again from cinema, this Mandela effect from the silence of the Lambs will blow your.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

Mind which I've never seen before as well, but.

CRAIG NORRIS

Anyway, this scene from silence of the Lambs. Is equally considered very confusing. Again, it's in the classic scene when. Basically, Clarisse meets Hannibal Lecter, so silence of the Lambs, again, another detective film, Anthony Hopkins plays the detective, and this is the scene here that we'll play a little scene.

Speaker 11

Good morning.

Speaker 2

Doctor Lecter. My name is Clarice Starling.

Speaker

Best speak with you.

Speaker 5

You're one of Jack Crofts, aren't you?

Speaker

I am, yes. May I see your credentials? Shortly.

Speaker 6

Closer, please closer.

Speaker 14

That expires.

CRAIG NORRIS

So in that scene where we first have Clarice Sterling meeting Hannibal Lecter, and everyone is convinced that that scene begins with Hannibal Lecter saying Hello, Clarice. Yeah, but he doesn't. He says hello. Or was it? Good morning. Oh, my God. I'm going through it. But it's not. Hello glorious but everyone. Is convinced they say no, no, no. He says hello Greece. So people began trying to figure out where this idea of Hannibal Lecter says hello. Clarice came from. Some people have argued that actually came from a trailer. Others have said it was Jim Carrey's performance a few years later in the film.

Speaker 11

Hmm.

Speaker 14

MHM.

Speaker 9

Can I have your?

CRAIG NORRIS

Cable guy, where he performs the character of Hannibal Lecter in the scene, which we'll listen to now.

Speaker

Sure. Check this out. Silence of the lands.

Speaker 9

Hello, clarice. It's good to see you again.

CRAIG NORRIS

So many people think you're these types of comedic performances kind of entrenched this idea of Hello, Clarice. Being a the line from the film and again causing all of this debate as to whether or not that really is the line or not. Equally, I guess in cinema the other big classic one. Is does Luke Skype does Darth Vader and Empire Strikes Back saying Luke, I am your father?

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

Mm-hmm.

CRAIG NORRIS

Do you have you seen empire?

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

Strikes back? Yes, of course I.

CRAIG NORRIS

Have just in case do you is is is the line Luke, I have my. I'm your father in the movie.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

Probably, but it might be a gap of big gap between Luke. And Amy, father.

CRAIG NORRIS

Let's listen. So this is an interview with James Earl Jones, who voiced.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

Who? Because he definitely says I am your father, I don't.

CRAIG NORRIS

Of course. Stuff.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

Know if he says.

CRAIG NORRIS

Luke, that's that's right. This is the computer.

Speaker 6

I'll never join you.

Speaker 5

If you only knew the power of the dark side. When I first saw the dialogue. That said, Luke. I am your father. I said to himself. He's lying. And wonder how they're gonna play that liar. Obi-wan never told you what happened with your father.

Speaker

He told me enough.

Speaker 8

He told me you.

Speaker 5

No. I am the father.

Speaker

Say what?

CRAIG NORRIS

No. Yeah, so it's no.

Speaker

Ohh.

CRAIG NORRIS

I'm your father. It's not Luke. I am your father. Although people are convinced that that's in the film. What I like, I guess what I find most interesting about this.

Speaker 8

Yes.

CRAIG NORRIS

Theory and the debate around is this? Or is this not the line from the movie? Is this because I mean other examples are people are convinced, for instance, that New Zealand's location is? To the northeast, rather than southeast of Australia, geographically, Pikachu's tail. There's a whole Mandela effect, debate about whether or not Pikachu's attack Pikachu's really tasty Pikachu's tail.

Speaker 14

Ship.

CRAIG NORRIS

Is Black tipped or not? So is is Pikachu's tail black tipped? No, no, there you go. Many people though argue that it definitely is black tipped and there are versions where there's a black tip.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

Hmm.

CRAIG NORRIS

In on his tail. But I think the confusion is those ears. The ears are black tip.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

He's a black. Yeah. Yeah, especially pitcher as well. It's got the black tipped on the ears too.

CRAIG NORRIS

The original version of Mickey Mouse had him in suspenders.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

Hmm.

CRAIG NORRIS

Which it is. It's not the case, but that's a bit more obscure, but many people are convinced that Mickey.

Speaker

Hmm.

CRAIG NORRIS

'S The black and.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

That's the right, yeah.

CRAIG NORRIS

White one, yeah, the black and white one has him in shorts but with suspenders, but there are no suspended. Is it's? Yeah. And then there's various, you know, logos for companies, they, they, they, they your fruit loops and well. And then movie started like play it again. Sam's not in the movie many people were convinced it's in the movie.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

But it's in a lot of Movies Now because people will use that thing that people think of there and. They played against Sam in heaps of other different movies.

CRAIG NORRIS

This one I quite like. It's the Monopoly board game and. Many people you know, does the Monopoly board game guy have a monocle or not?

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

Hmm.

CRAIG NORRIS

So many people say he doesn't have a monocle and other people argue he does have. A monocle? Mm-hmm. The images you see from him have no monocle, but some people say no. No, there's definitely a monocle in one version. Others argue that it's probably confusion with another character in the US called Mr Peanut, who does Monocle. I don't think we got that brand here, but it is. I mean, again, the the explanations just fascinate me for it. The idea that these are either you know at the more extreme version which the chip clip decided to start with, these are parallel worlds. This is. Pizza that there are parallel wells because enough people are convinced that there is a version of Monopoly which has a monocled millionaire character.

Speaker

Cool.

CRAIG NORRIS

Yeah, that's the more extreme. The most, more common ones are this idea of, you know, from psychology, like a false memory. This theory suggests that, you know, false memories form from external factors, such as with the case of. Hello, Clarice, will you watch a movie where there's a joke about silence of the Lambs and he doesn't do the great line, but he just does a line and that gets that false memory, then gets connected to what really happened in silence of the lambs, as as dialogue, which is. Not the case. Misinformation effect occurs when information received from an events can alter one's memory of the event itself. It's a form of retroactive interference where newer information. Impacts on the accuracy of the older memories, so in cases. Like. I guess literally the Mandela effect, where later on you're given information about. No, no, he didn't die and that then changes what your memory was of that death to begin with.

Speaker

Yeah.

CRAIG NORRIS

Confabulated so where your memory has been fabricated, distorted or misinterpreted by memories about you. Self, which you didn't consciously want to deceive yourself from, but you, you you begin to think of this version of what happened that day and the small stories you tell about what happened that day. You you confabulate a kind of whole number of things which happened until one day which which was not on the one day. The the ones which we're looking at here with the Mandela effect are often linked to this idea of a collective false memory. Mm-hmm. Because it's something about the fact that you won't. You won't be alone in this theory. There's others around you that's not chiming in on Twitter saying no, no, no, you're definitely right. He says, Luke, I am your father and there's definitely a version out there that somehow has been now erased, which has that as the dialogue or the other one. Actually, that's more recent is the there was an interesting interview with. On the what is it? The Graham Norton Show talking about the Lord of the Rings films, and if it's run, you fools or fly, you fools. I'll just play this. Cause it's quite interesting again because.

Speaker 5

Don't miss an all new episode of.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

The Graham Norton Show.

CRAIG NORRIS

Sorry. I'll play it from.

Speaker 12

OK, because but there's sometimes sound out and.

Speaker 14

There is a super fan at the end of the couch. You do have an annoying question. Well, I don't know about annoying question.

Speaker 15

Why? Yeah.

CRAIG NORRIS

So this is, you know. It's a panel discussion, so Ian McClelland. McLaren McLaren.

Speaker

Yes.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

Just McKellen.

CRAIG NORRIS

Ian McKellen is there being interviewed. He, of course, played Gandalf, and then there's a number of other actors.

Speaker 15

So when we were on set with our movie, I was often getting into debates with Joel Frey, who's an actor was in the movie brilliant actor and. I believe that the line from Lord of the Rings is fly, you fools. But he was just constantly telling me it's run, you fools. And I was like, no, it's fly. It's definitely fly. But maybe you could clear it up.

Speaker 14

For us, fly, it is fly. You win, but.

Speaker 12

Just just for the nerds and and hobbits among you. It it's it is not. You shall not pass that talking didn't write that he wrote. You cannot pass.

Speaker

I know.

Speaker 12

And I got it wrong but. I'm rather stuck with it now.

Speaker 14

That's amazing. Wow.

CRAIG NORRIS

So I find that interesting that again, there's a there's kind of two Mandela effects. Well, really one which is, he says, you know, fly, you fools and not run you fools.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

But that's not I've I've never heard anyone who thinks that it's run you.

CRAIG NORRIS

Full well, there are there. It does turn out. There's I. Mean again, it's. Because you're right, I mean, and for most people, exactly my equals is is the dialogue. But if you, I mean, look, we'll we'll listen to the original. It is it is. It is, it is. It's not that. So that of course is interesting now. Yeah. Yeah, that it was. He McClellan saying he made a mistake, right. It was scripted. I assume the script was the same as in the book. So Tolkien, right, you cannot.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

Cannot pass.

CRAIG NORRIS

And he he said he he did not say you cannot pass. He said you shall not pass so many people now.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

I think that that can be invoked, yes.

CRAIG NORRIS

That's the book. That's that's the. Book, but it's not. But in this case you know both versions exist. However, there could be a debate in a quiz show. You know, with people saying, well, are you talking about the movie or the film? Anyway? So here's the scene with the. Fly, you fools.

Speaker 6

Brother, you fools.

CRAIG NORRIS

So yeah, if you know it's fly, you falls and you listen to it, you hear it, but it's it's not too clear. And yeah, it's one of these cases. Many people getting into these arguments saying no, there's definitely a version that says run you.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

M. There isn't but.

CRAIG NORRIS

And well, that's right there, isn't it? Isn't, but it is one of the. Things what you could see yourself getting into then is this big debate. The person refuses and there's others around them saying no, no, no, I agree. It's run, you fools. And then they try to wrestle with why is their version not the same as yours? And then you. Can end up with discussions of parallel. Exactly. You know, this is which variants are we in? What what Earth number are we in? But it is. I mean look and there are moments like the the what is it? The Yancy and Clancy debate and the blue or gold dress wear. There are experiences you can have which? Your reality is not shared by someone else, and that is factually. Proven that both realities exist at the same time. If I mean, the antsy thing is, if you're hearing is bad, or if you're older, you will hear Yancy and. What are you?

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

You're talking about. I don't know what this is.

CRAIG NORRIS

You know, I'll, I'll, I'll. Play a clip of it.

Speaker

Uh.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

Are you sure it's not Yanni and Laurel?

CRAIG NORRIS

Ah, yeah, that's it's Yanni. That's it. Yanny. Laurel. Sorry. I have no idea. Laurel. Right. So it's this one.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

Yeah.

Speaker

Laurel.

Speaker 5

Laurel. Laurel. Laurel. Laurel. Laurel. Laurel.

CRAIG NORRIS

Say I'm hearing Laurel. What are you hearing?

Speaker 9

Laurel.

Speaker 5

Laurel.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

Laurel, both.

CRAIG NORRIS

Really. Yeah. And definitely Laurel. But again, the idea is that that is, which one you hear is also an index for the how healthy you're hearing. Yeah. I don't feel my hearing is very good. So in terms of, you know, actually explaining why you hear a difference, there's an explanation for it.

Speaker

Lord.

Speaker 5

Hmm.

CRAIG NORRIS

But also you've got to then understand.

Speaker 2

That.

CRAIG NORRIS

Even though you 100% I 100% only hear Laurel. Mm-hmm. Someone out there will hear. Yeah. Yanny. Which seems to be a completely different, different word. So, yes. So again, that's all that and more is the bizarre reality that. That can face us out there, Sir. Your batteries running low. Ohh my damn laptop. It's just dangerously and see if we can complete this.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

OK. Yeah. Broadcast. Boom. OK, I've got. I've got something to talk about. Anyway, that's sort of like news media worthy. The disappearance of the. Going under the desk. The disappearance of the British what's it called? Dietician Dr dietician Dr in Greece.

CRAIG NORRIS

Conservative party. Ohh yeah, yeah, that was this morning's breaking news.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

Yeah, Doctor Michael Mosley. He's really good. Liked all of his shows.

CRAIG NORRIS

OK, I've I'm not familiar with it.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

Very smart, very into sort of making every making sure that everyone's healthy and looking into a lot of going deep into a lot of really interesting science.

CRAIG NORRIS

And like Harold Holt, he's disappeared without a trace, it appears.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

Science and stuff. Speed without a trace.

CRAIG NORRIS

Off some rocky outcrop as he went for a walk along the beach by himself. Yeah. Weird. Yeah. Yeah. So again. Again, we hope that he's found.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

Yes, and and a good reminder that if you are going anywhere alone, it's always a good idea to carry an E perb. Even if you're not on.

CRAIG NORRIS

The water? Yes. What is an epub?

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

Epub is like you have to do all these complicated things, press a button and you usually do when you're out in on the sea and it sends up all of this distress into the air, which is then picked up by the network of.

Speaker 2

Right.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

Satellites from all countries and then they can pinpoint where you are and someone will come and get you.

CRAIG NORRIS

So it's like. A digital square. Yeah. Right, right. Yes. Well, we could do a show about tracking, but thanks for listening. So this is the doctor, Craig, and Will Taylor again for another episode of Media Leadership on Edge Radio show. Notes will be. Available on the episode description at YouTube or your podcast provider of choice. Next week, we're going to have some indie film makers in guys we've had them before. Daniel and Edward and their main actor talking about their new film project, which is coming to an end. So we're gonna throw people in. I think you can remote call in. You could be a caller call in via Skype.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

I'm not going to be here next time. And how would you? How would you? Play. That out well.

CRAIG NORRIS

I wouldn't. You play it like I have it on the computer and Skype on the computer and then I'll answer the call on the computer.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

Oh God. Well, OK.

CRAIG NORRIS

Very high tech you can find out more. About me. About this trip on Facebook and Instagram. And keep listening now to Edge Radio coming up next, says key pop and limited with GTG and DG CG. The very best very best. What is our hook for KPOP and limited what could hook listeners in to listen for the next hour?

Speaker

Yeah.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

Let's listen to some good music people.

CRAIG NORRIS

Wow, is this like a Southerner K pop? No. And we're gonna listen to any more K pop from the north.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

No, I don't know of anything apart from the one that we.

CRAIG NORRIS

Propaganda.

Speaker

Right.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

Played last week.

Speaker 10

Probably not.

CRAIG NORRIS

Paul. All right, thanks for listening and listen now to. The edge ID.


 

 

 

 


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