Episode 78 - With host Craig Norris and special guests Wendy and Nicholas.
First Broadcast on Edge Radio, 21st June 2024.
In this episode, we delve into the fascinating world of media tourism, journeying to iconic destinations made famous by movies and TV shows. Join me as I chat with Wendy and Nicholas from Edge Radio's Mental Connections (Tues 2 to 3 PM). Together, we’ll share unforgettable tales and humorous anecdotes from our travels, ranging from the magical realms of Disneyland to the streets of Cardiff, immortalized by Doctor Who. Tune in as we uncover the joys and hurdles of globetrotting to these beloved media hotspots.
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CRAIG
All right. Welcome to media mothership here on Edge Radio Studios in Nippa Luna, Hobart. TAS. On the show, we explore how media can shape our understanding of the world around us. I am your host, doctor Craig. I'm joined my the experts from Edge Radio's other show, mental connections. Wendy and Nicholas Masters, extraordinaire of all things connected to mental illness. I can illiterate like.
NICHOLAS
That, yeah, mental connections looks at mental health issues in Tasmania. Yeah, and beyond.
CRAIG
So I'm getting you to put a slightly different hat on. For this show. Which will be your adventures overseas and Interstate as you've explored the world around us, and in particular where media, popular culture, movies, television, novels have overlapped with those travels. Because we were talking. A while back about some of the exciting. Places you've visited and you you had. We did a little bit of. Kind of fan culture or Fanisha Ness of some some great series popular television series and movies, so. We're we're going to explore this phenomenon of media tourism.
NICHOLAS
Well, I think we should start with Wendy. She did some ships to the United States and overseas the UK before we met, so. Universal Studios might be a good place to start.
CRAIG
Universal Studios. All right, so maybe I should play like this thing. Let me. Let me try to play a theme song that might get people slightly in the mood for where you're about to transport us. We'll see if people at home can guess what we're hearing.
WENDY
OK. OK.
NICHOLAS
So yes, I wanted to say danger, Will Robinson.
CRAIG
The menacing, fantastic orchestration of of Jaws. Yes. So what happened to you? Because what? What? I guess what? What year? What dates? Was this that you?
WENDY
It was early end of 82 early 831983. So I was young and I was with my mum and dad and my little sister. And we went to the US and on a guided tour and included on the tour a number of wonderful opportunities, such as Universal Studios and Disneyland Anaheim.
CRAIG
Wow and. So this is. Early 80s, yes. And I mean George came out the decade before and but I also know there was like ET over like that like this would be prime ET time, right.
Speaker
Yes.
WENDY
Definitely yes. ET was huge and we when we were walking into the whole complex, they had. Big. Posters and photographs and all sorts of information on EP, the movie. And it was so wonderful because it was. Yeah, just the way that they've done it all. And then also, of course, battle, Battlestar Galactica. It came out the original one with the Cylons who actually robotic and they had some of them and it was all we went on a sort of like a tour.
CRAIG
Yes.
WENDY
On the tour, they turned all the lights off and suddenly you had this Cylon and it was actually really scary.
Speaker
Hmm.
CRAIG
Here you go. Let me actually, because some people might know that wonderful sound that the Cylons have. I'll. I'll see if I can do a quick here. We. Go. So. That kind of Cylon? The.
NICHOLAS
The with the. The light. That's the eye going across to the same tune.
Speaker
Yeah.
CRAIG
It's fantastic. So if you're watching us on YouTube, you can also watch us on YouTube and Twitch and Wendy has brought in her for. Her her photo. Album, so we'll be posting putting some of. Them up as. She's unclipping them from the album up on the the stream.
NICHOLAS
You might have to have it so that it shows properly.
CRAIG
Well, it's more of a kind of, I guess, hint that there's an actual photo album that we're.
WENDY
Looking at and, there's also a what was called the ET Earth Centre, and that was really interesting too, and had lots of important information about the environment and what we can do to help protect our. Earth because I.
CRAIG
Guess people have never been to universal. Studios. It's it's a, it's a theme park, right? And so obviously you've got Universal Studios, which is famous for producing movies and television. And so it's that real. I mean, what I what I find so fascinating about looking at stories of people going to locations and then. Recognising where they've been filmed. Or their their kind of reenactments is, is that idea that it can really have you fall in love with the magic of movies, right? What was memorable or what left some of the biggest impressions on you from Universal Studios?
WENDY
I think one of the things that really struck me was just the fact that it was so diverse. I didn't realise how they actually made films, so they actually showed you what they did when they made a film like as in. They took you to a certain set and then they they said, OK, everyone's gotta stay over this way and then they flooded the whole street. With water and. Yeah, and it was amazing. And they were like, people can actually drown in this. So watch out. It was it was quite a serious sort of set. It was like a prop. The buildings were actually some of them actually, fully. Completed, but a lot of them were just facades.
CRAIG
And what's I guess what's interesting there is that when you're watching the film, where there would be a flood, the reality you're seeing in that movie is of, like the dam is broken or something. And this huge flood has occur. And it's believable, right? It's believable that it's a real impact of water. Yeah. When you go to a a theme park and they reenact a scene, you kind of realise that, you know, it's fake. It's a very controlled. Explosion very controlled flood. While there's risks there, nevertheless, there's a sense that. You know it's, is it kind of like going to the sausage factory? Right. Many people talk about that, that that cliche of they became vegetarian because they went to the sausage factory and they never want to eat. Meat again do. You go to these theme parks and see how they're done and think I'm never going to watch. Movies again because it's.
WENDY
Fake. Ohh no, it just you.
CRAIG
It's the opposite. It feels like isn't, yeah.
WENDY
Insights. It gives you insights because you see more about what what goes into it. And I actually found after that I started to notice a lot more of the detail in movies like things I hadn't really noticed before like continuity errors and things like that. Just just things that I hadn't really thought. About and also about like some as you said some things are fake, but like this actual water. This flood was actually real, a real flood, so sometimes it's real. And they also took us to another area of the western area where they had paid for. They shot saloon, they had a saloon and they shot the Western movies. And they actually had people stunt men there, falling off buildings, doing all this amazing. Stuff right in front of us. Explosions, gunfire. It was really, really. Well done and it sort of showed you how they film those sort of scenes and they're really full on the stunt. People are just absolutely incredible. I do not know how they do what they do. It's it's actually dangerous. One person got injured when we were there, they broke their arm right in front of us. And it was really, really bad. So.
CRAIG
Really.
WENDY
It's actually full on. Yeah, definitely, yeah.
CRAIG
And again, that would, I mean obviously in the films when fights are occurring, they're not real fights and it's rare to have injuries like this because these are professional stunt people. And again, much like that idea of on cinema when we were watching that. Action the like the the the Western hero land a punch and the villain goes over the second story of the saloon or something and falls down on the ground it looks. Kind of really bad in terms of like the the villain is gonna die. He's gonna fall down. That was a real punch. You know, you're convinced by the lunch.
NICHOLAS
Yes, yes, yes. But the reality sometimes is that. To get to that stage, they've had to practise it and maybe in practise someone's been injured and maybe sometimes they have a wire attached to them and protecting them in that way and maybe other times they don't have any wire and they land in a funny way or they copper hit. They didn't expect to get so.
CRAIG
Yeah.
NICHOLAS
But to me it reminds me a little bit of the the wrestling where, OK, it's a script, but.
WENDY
Then that's.
NICHOLAS
But. These people actually get hurt and they put up.
CRAIG
With the hurt. But if that painter goes, they haven't. They've kind of, you know, it's interesting because they're meant to look like they're in pain. If they actually are in pain, something's gone wrong. Right. Something's gone wrong. Someone's done something that shouldn't have.
NICHOLAS
Yeah, well, I. Happened. I remember Jackie Chan broke his foot and.
Speaker
Hmm.
NICHOLAS
Kept going. Put a a cast on and kept going. Right. So they have genuine injuries.
WENDY
Yeah, yeah, but what? So what I was gonna say though about this, these these were stunt people who've done this scene many, many times before, but what had happened was it had been raining, actually raining, which it doesn't happen a lot in in desert areas in this sort of area in California and. And basically it was slippery and he fell awkwardly and they didn't have they didn't have wires on, they were just doing it purely using mattresses or soft landing type situations. But he he twisted as he fell and because of that he landed on his arm. Yeah. And they had to. They stopped everything. They were really, really professional. They stopped everything. They got the medics in.
NICHOLAS
Yeah.
WENDY
Took him away and they came back late and said he's OK. He's broken his arm, but it's not. It's OK. He's all right.
CRAIG
It's an interesting transition. I think that moment of because it it it no longer becomes entertaining in a way, right, like the the crowd would be hushed in a sense of the gravity of what the. It's it's not entertaining anymore. So again, it is that really fascinating tension when you're going to see how the movies are made. And it's a very safe space and you're seeing how it's very fake. But that's the entertainment of it, right? We're given permission to enjoy this because we're not really seeing a shark eat someone. It's all fake. We're not really seeing someone die. It's a fake gun.
NICHOLAS
Exact a fake well.
CRAIG
So when we do see someone get injured in. A theme park. Space A performer. It it. It's really fascinating. Now it's the same. Concept in terms of we've. Seen you know the the kind of body be hit by something, but in this case it's it's the real consequences of it rather than. And he stands up and walks away because it's fake. Instead the ambulance comes, the stretcher comes and yeah, it's it's. It's a fascinating little philosophical moment. Almost in terms of.
WENDY
But it does happen a lot to stump people and to the full on Screen Actors as well, that they can get hurt and some of them even die. It's it's really serious stuff that they do.
NICHOLAS
It is, yeah. And the water going down the. Street reminds me of theatre in Paris. 1980 was the first time I'd gone overseas and we went to France and we're in Paris and we went to the Lido and saw a show in the Lido and in that show they had a number of different scenes. One scene was some ice skaters. Came up from the floor. Oh, wow. And they skated on the ice. And then later on that went down. Then they had, I think it was a scene from the Mikado. But I might be wrong with this. And they had the singing and they had the bridge and the performers are on the bridge and all of a sudden the. Bridge started to shake. And then the bridge collapsed and all this water came in tonnes of water, right? Not.
CRAIG
Deliberately, this was part of the.
NICHOLAS
Yeah, it. Act part of the act and you think, where do the tonnes of water come from and where do they go, you know? And then that reminds us of. When I first went to Disneyland or when he took me to Disneyland and she'd been beforehand.
WENDY
I've been three times to Anaheim now and I I I don't know about the other disneylands, but that's pretty awesome because it's got the history too, and it's the original 1.
NICHOLAS
Yeah. So.
CRAIG
Yeah, so Disney. Planned. I mean what I mean, many people will know some. Of the key. Properties media franchises that are linked to Disneyland. What were the ones?
NICHOLAS
And. That stood out, the one that stood out for me, and I'm not sure about Wendy. We did this on behalf of our kids at the time, and we went from 9:00 in the morning to midnight when it closed. Wow.
Speaker
So. Well.
WENDY
Yes.
NICHOLAS
And we wanted to go on the Indiana Jones and Temple of Doom ride, which we heard was the best one. And when we arrived, we went on a couple of little ones like Pinocchio and the. It's a small world, right? And then there was a big sign that said it told you how long the wait was with with each of them and Indiana Jones and Temple of Doom was a 15 minute wait and we had more than 5 minutes was the most for us up to then we said no, I'm not gonna wait that long. Then the next time you go past the sign, it's like. An hour and then the next time it's an.
CRAIG
Ah.
NICHOLAS
Hour and a. Nicola, in the end it was just before midnight that we finally, actually an hour or so before we we got into the line and eventually we got to the front of the line. And we've been in that. The snake thing like you have. At the airport. Yeah, right.
CRAIG
Yes, those kind of cues which, yeah. Yeah, kind of.
NICHOLAS
Go. So. So we're in there between an hour and two hours, and by the time we got to the end of it, I thought, well, maybe that is the experience almost like a museum. Yeah. Trip. And in there you had these great big doors, but the doors open. So you go in and it's this monstrous big vehicle.
CRAIG
Back and forth, back and. Forth.
NICHOLAS
That'll fit four people across the front, and then there's three seats. And then I was the driver of this Jeep.
CRAIG
Alright, so the seat you were in happened to. Have like a. Fake steering wheel. Fake steel.
WENDY
Yeah, yeah, you had no control over it at all.
NICHOLAS
So. So nice. No, no, no. I had the control. No, there was no control. So anyway. And the the very first scene. Yeah. You're going in. And you remember the boulder scene where the. Boulders coming, that's the classic read.
CRAIG
Ah yes. Is the last start.
NICHOLAS
And logically, you know that you're safe, right? The bowlers not gonna get me and the everyone. Else sits with us. But you're thinking, well, what's, how's this gonna happen? And all of a sudden we dropped and we're on rails and we go underneath the boulder. And that was the start of the ride. And it goes for, like, a couple of minutes. And yeah, it's a real rush all of the way. And then you get to the end of it and you think, yeah, it was worth one to two hours. Wait to get to. The two minute ride.
CRAIG
It is so fascinating, though roller coaster rides in theme parks where what I mean, the thing I love about that story, Nicholas is you have. The movie knowledge, right? So Raiders lost ark. You know, the boulders a, a terrifyingly exciting action scene in that film. The board come like Harrison Ford just triggered the trap.
NICHOLAS
Yes.
CRAIG
He's taking the idol and he's triggered the trap, though, and the boulders kind of crashing towards him and he's in a race for his life to get out of the. The Aztec tumour ovary. Is and it's thrilling. And what's fascinating, I guess, about that roller coaster ride is that or type. Of roller coaster. Ride is that it's kind of reenacting that scene in a way that's really immersive for you, right, that that logically you were saying, like logically, you know, you're safe, right? You're in this very protective car and you know that the steering wheel's fake and you. Don't have any control. But nevertheless, the adrenaline starts kicking in. Right, because the like the the you were describing the roller coaster suddenly plummets down, and so that whole physical feeling.
NICHOLAS
Yeah. You're. Like Steep Hill that goes underneath the boulder.
CRAIG
Yeah, yeah. And the psychology of that must be fascinating. I mean to wire someone up and monitor their brain patterns as.
Speaker
And.
CRAIG
They're in and what's interesting again is yeah, yeah, that there's that kind of storytelling overlap that it's not just a roller coaster. It's a roller coaster to add Indiana Jones. Where you're, you know, kind of fairness of of the props. Yeah. Vinia Jones also kind of overlaps with how you're feeling. And so yeah, it gives you this really very immersive experience.
WENDY
I was gonna also mention I've been to Universal Studios twice. Yes, sort of like two years apart. And it was different each time, like it hadn't some things were similar or the same, but ET had taken on a life of its own by then. So it was. We actually had one of the members of our group who was chosen to get on the bicycle and fly with a green screen behind them and fly with ET in the in the front of the bicycle.
CRAIG
Oh wow.
WENDY
Basket basket. That was pretty cool. And then they also had other things like they had a room that actually could rotate. And they actually had someone sit in this chair and they actually secured it in with the seat belt, sort of a safety belt. And they actually turned it so that they actually, that was sort of like turning not not completely upside down, but just to the side. And they showed you how they film certain scenes using that sort of technology and that sort of. That sort of idea. Yeah, and nothing moves except for the actual room moves. Everything is so solidly planted in the room, and it doesn't, and nothing moves except the person's hair. So they have to be careful. They said they had to do certain things to people's hair to make sure they didn't look obvious and things like that.
CRAIG
Yes. Right.
WENDY
So very really interesting.
CRAIG
I mean again, it returns that fascinating point that the we can suspend disbelief when we're watching the film and film makers go to great lengths to ensure that our disbelief is suspended, right. As you were saying in that performance space, making sure the. There doesn't move to give away that this is all fake and that actually it's the room moving or they're moving and the room staying still. Yeah, it doesn't again trigger that kind of sausage factory vegetarian moment. Instead, it's like it sounds like you. We really enjoyed films, spoiler.
NICHOLAS
It's. Yeah. And that there are also examples of life imitating art imitating life. And one example of that for us was.
WENDY
Yes.
NICHOLAS
The Pirates of the Caribbean ride.
Speaker
No.
NICHOLAS
Is and what it was is.
CRAIG
Next one where you're you're kind of seated in kind of. Like a boat.
NICHOLAS
Yeah, you, you go in and you sit in this boat and this boat chugs around to these various places, etcetera. But we went on that ride before they made the movie. Pirates of the Caribbean.
CRAIG
That's right. With the famous Jack Sparrow character, played by Johnny Depp.
WENDY
Johnny Depp.
NICHOLAS
So the actual ride preceded the movie, whereas some of the others it's the movie that precedes the ride.
CRAIG
And people were saying, how can a theme park ride be a movie? Right, say, with board games like that, they did the battleship movie.
WENDY
Hmm. True.
CRAIG
Based on the. Board game and yeah, it's it's impossible. Really difficult to convince people that never knew. It was a riot first to say no, no, no. It was a ride and people never thought it was a horrible idea, that parts of the how can you do a whole movie on a dinky little Disneyland? Yeah, exactly. Yeah. That became one of the most successful action movie franchises that spun off what, four or five sequels? And now I I I I I a few years back I went to Disneyland in Japan and they've got an animatronic Johnny Depp character in there now that you go by and and you see Jack Sparrow so it's that again as you're saying it's that kind of.
WENDY
Oh.
CRAIG
You know the what? What is the mothership? I guess for Pirates of the Caribbean. Is it the ride or is it the movies? Yes. The ride may have come first, but now the movies are more popular and better known than the ride. Yeah, so now the movie is kind of changing what the ride is.
WENDY
Yes, yes.
NICHOLAS
It's like the movies that remake of the ride, and they've expanded it. And then because it was successful quite often because of the actors in it, but you know, must have been the writing as much as anything and directing. And they say, right, we can get some money from this. So they keep redoing it. Yeah.
CRAIG
Yeah. No, it's it's strange.
WENDY
And and the other thing about Disneyland to me is that you actually get to meet. The like Mickey Mouse.
CRAIG
So did you have any magical, memorable encounters with characters?
WENDY
Well, yes. Now my favourite Disney character is goofy.
CRAIG
Goofy. Yeah, right. He does. His voice is kind of, yeah. Let me see if I can.
WENDY
And and yeah, he's a dog.
CRAIG
Find it for those that have never heard.
WENDY
Yeah. Goofy. Yeah, I know. Goofy. So goofy was. So every day they have a certain character that they choose to be the one that sits and has photos taken with the audience and the day that I was there. Guess who it was. It was goofy and it was two photographs of me with goofy. And it's super it was so it was.
CRAIG
Really.
WENDY
Really. Cool. That's.
Speaker
A long here.
CRAIG
So is it kind of? Yeah, kind of peak character, maybe the young kids would say today. Yeah, back to. With what is he? Is he a donkey? Right. So Goofy was the one out. And did you get a?
WENDY
He's a dog. Photo op. Yeah, I got. I've got two photos. Here I showed.
CRAIG
Fantastic. Oh, wow. Wow, that's Christmas goofy.
WENDY
Yeah, we were there at Christmas. No kidding? Yeah.
NICHOLAS
That's. Can you make sure?
CRAIG
It's, uh, yeah, we'll put it nice and close.
WENDY
Goofy is it was super cool it. Was a really nice. Really, really lovely.
CRAIG
Well, it's interesting the again, it's one of those things with Disneyland, you come across various kind of forensic fan videos unpacking the experience of Disneyland that you know you, you the the commitment many people have to Disneyland. But then also the life of being one of the mascots. Yeah, and.
WENDY
Hmm, it's a whole life. It's a whole career for some people. Yeah. Amazing.
NICHOLAS
Yeah, and. And the rides, they might be only small rides, or it might be a walk through, like the Pinocchio workshop. Yeah. And you go through and you, you see the little puppets and you see your pedo and whatever else, and compared to, you know, the big, thrilling heart pumping rides like Indiana Jones, it's it's a lot tamer. But then they'll also put on a show such as Pocahontas.
CRAIG
Hmm.
NICHOLAS
And you have live theatre and the show that we saw was absolutely phenomenal the, the, the, the, the singer that was playing Pocahontas. Absolutely gorgeous. Well, class. Fantastic voice, as good as anything you would hear.
CRAIG
Ever. Yeah. And it was so seamless, and it's felt like just a couple of minutes. But you watched the whole show. What I want, I mean, for many people, it strikes me that, you know, Disneyland is like, the the best day in America. And then.
WENDY
Yeah, it was incredible, really.
CRAIG
Outside of Disneyland, when you see the real American like frustrations, for instance, people live outside of America, but they love Disney movies. It can be a a fantastic experience to go to Disneyland because it is that that kind of Hollywood pop culture image of what America is this this really.
WENDY
Remember what Walt Disney said? He wanted to make the happiest place on Earth. Yes, and he he he succeeded to some extent, I think.
CRAIG
Was there a contrast between Real America and Disneyland America? Did did you kind of like, think totally America isn't as happy as Disneyland?
WENDY
Oh. Well, I'll, I'll give you a bit of an insight as well. When we first arrived into Anaheim, there there was all these phone booths in this square where you had to ring up the hotel you were staying at and they'd bring a courtesy bus to pick. You up and I kept picking up the phone and saying Sheraton Anaheim and they kept. And the sheriff kept turning up and kept looking around looking. And I'm like he was out here. And I finally twigged they thought I was saying Sheriff Anaheim, and they kept calling the sheriff to come and check on something that was happening with tourists or whatever, and they just didn't understand my accent.
CRAIG
Right.
WENDY
I have to say, Sheriff. No, no, not the Sheraton, Sheraton, Anaheim and I had to speak with an American accent. I went. Oh, you mean the Sheraton? Ohh, yeah, sure. And then they said the, the, the bus. But it was like three or four times before the they finally twigged it. So they really didn't understand what I was saying, even though we're speaking English. It was a like a real cultural divide. And when we're at Disneyland, lining up Nicholas and myself, we were speaking with some lovely people who were going to the Rose Bowl. That's why they were in California. And ohh it's a.
CRAIG
What is the Rose?
WENDY
Big.
NICHOLAS
It it's the lead up to the Super.
Speaker
Match.
NICHOLAS
Bowl and what? That what happens in America is the America the. Football. They have what they call conferences because this America's so big you gotta travel so far and it's big population. And so, you know, if you do well in your conference, then your conference will have its Super Bowl equivalent to get to the next level and the Rose Bowl is the California. Right conference or whatever. Yeah. And so but these people from Idaho, and they came to see their team.
WENDY
Yes. And and I and I said the word I said. Ohh look, we've been having heaps and heaps of. Fun or heaps? We've been doing heaps and stuff and they just kept looking at me like really puzzled and funny. Said what's heaps? Is that some sort of vegetable? And I'm like, no, no, it means a lot. It means a lot. And I just couldn't get that concept that heaps meant a lot like as in that was just a way of saying a lot of something. And it was really interesting that there's just a difference in colloquialism.
CRAIG
Yes. Yeah. Miss.
NICHOLAS
Yes, and.
WENDY
Really showed us the how you have to be so careful. What you.
NICHOLAS
Say and and Wendy's quite good when she travels because she'll slow down her speed. Which and she will cut down on the words that she uses and doesn't use as many colloquial ones as.
WENDY
Well, that's why because I found out the hard way. You can't do it. Yeah.
CRAIG
Yeah, yeah, the sheriff's. There and you don't want to annoy. Sheriff.
WENDY
No, and I apologise. I really, I said. I'm so sorry. And they went. Ohh. It's OK, ma'am. Don't worry. It's OK. That was so really nice, you know. But I just felt awful because I was wasting their time, you know? But. I didn't know.
CRAIG
Ohh yeah, look and and I think it makes perfect sense, right? I mean, the Sheraton, Sheraton but but.
WENDY
Yes. They laughed. Actually, they thought it was really funny. Yeah. You know, they were laughing.
NICHOLAS
If I'm, if I remember rightly, these are the the two. Boy and girl or whatever from Idaho that had come to see their team play.
CRAIG
Well.
WENDY
That's that's a different. Yeah. Different time. Yeah. When I went, my mum and dad, my little sister was when the sheriff's one happened. That was a 8182. But the other one was when I was with Nicholas in 8485. No, no, no, no, no.
NICHOLAS
Oh, that was a. 1. Yeah, that's true.
WENDY
90. 9097 sorry, 9697. Yeah.
NICHOLAS
96.
CRAIG
It was a lot later on, many people can underestimate the challenges that you can. Yeah, but.
NICHOLAS
Yeah.
WENDY
Yes, you you don't. And even in another culture that speaks English doesn't mean they're gonna understand what you're saying. And that's that's a really good message.
NICHOLAS
No. And the word football, it depends where you are in the world as to what it means. When I grew up, there was one of five.
Speaker
Yes.
NICHOLAS
Things you know, and then six if you add the gridiron in. So you got the Australian football AFL, you've got soccer, which you know that's probably the big world game. You've got rugby league and rugby union and you've got touch football and then you've got the American gridiron.
CRAIG
And it's fascinating, isn't it? Because that's a loaded phrase to some people, like, whatever gets to be football is on a hierarchy. Right. So they'll say, well, no, soccer is the only true football.
NICHOLAS
Yes.
CRAIG
Umm, you can call it soccer, but it's really should be called football. All those other things are not football. AFL's, not football. It's well, it's.
NICHOLAS
And. That's football, too. Yeah, well, the the story is and. Correct me if I'm wrong, but you had some English. What we would call private school, what they call public school boys playing football, which would have been the soccer and. One of the boys cheated by picking up the ball and running with it, and that's where rugby union started. Wow. And so rugby union, because it was the the rich people, the rich kids, et cetera. That was seen as an amateur thing. You didn't get paid to do it right. You could afford to play it.
Speaker
Hmm.
NICHOLAS
Then later on, rugby league was the one which was the professionals where you were paid to.
CRAIG
Play it and it was very similar, but the rules were slightly changed. So before we go too far off the track with Disneyland and Universal Studios, what about souvenirs and merchandise? Any particularly favourite or significant?
WENDY
Yes, sorry. Yes, yes, I bought. I bought some goofy socks.
CRAIG
Why socks? The costume socks, do they?
WENDY
I've still got them and I haven't wore, I've never worn.
Speaker
Them.
WENDY
No, they're just socks, socks with goofys head with the long ears on the socks, like the actual real ears on the like. I mean, not really is, but piece of material on the socks. I've never. Warn them because they might. Might I protect them cause I absolutely. I just look after them and I I've got still got them.
CRAIG
Really. Yes, from 1983 or from 81.
WENDY
81828182. Yes, yes. Ohh sorry.
NICHOLAS
Wow.
CRAIG
Hang on. See, I'm always driven to say, have you looked on eBay to see how much they're worth now? I mean, these these objects, they would.
WENDY
8283. Yeah, that. Be worth anything?
CRAIG
But so you say, Nicholas, let's get.
WENDY
I've also. I've also got a hat. I've got a hat that I found when I went with Nicholas in 97. I saw something in Australia wearing this hat.
CRAIG
On to it, let's.
WENDY
Goofy and Donald Duck and Daisy Duck and and one of the Mickey Mouse on the side on this hat. It was absolutely fantastic and I went when we went there. I checked every single hat they had in the store and at the very bottom they had this hat so.
CRAIG
Wow, really. You had to hunt and gather.
WENDY
I bought it. I've still got it. Yes, but I found it and I wore it once in Hobart and this man gave me a really nasty look. And he was really mean to me. And I haven't worn it since because I felt.
CRAIG
So do you think it was something about the hat?
WENDY
Like self conscious. This is so, so pretty black off the over the top.
CRAIG
Really. That's fascinating that.
WENDY
I've still got it. But I just. Yeah. But he was like, really mean, but I knew.
CRAIG
It had that effect you feel see, just looked at you like you wore it on the streets. Ohh.
Speaker
Yeah.
WENDY
No, I knew him a bit, but he was like he's a look at me, like, really disparaging me like. You're scum wearing that hat. Yeah, yeah.
CRAIG
Really running that hat? This was a hat. A significant yeah, it was. It was one that you also were lucky to.
WENDY
Which was a fun hat. It was a fun hat.
CRAIG
Get yes because it. It was like it sounded like it was the last one there. You had to dig through this whole bunch of hats that was there down the bottom. So it's a wonderful story. Yet putting it on, it's fascinating. I mean, obviously there are some rules of how, where or something that this other guy saw.
Speaker
Yes.
CRAIG
That thought well. That's. Incorrect.
WENDY
Rule. Well, probably the woman shouldn't be wearing it should be a kids hat. Maybe I don't know, but it was an adult size, so why can't?
NICHOLAS
Wow that.
CRAIG
An adult wear it. I don't see. It is interesting. They're mistreating your fandom of things, I think sometimes. Some people, yeah, can be quite strict.
WENDY
They don't get it like like I've got a really cool T shirt of. What's the Japanese? What's the Japanese? The Mothra, Mothra, and both of them on the same T-shirt. Mothra and I love Mothra. Mothra and Gonzo. Yeah, on on the T shirt. But I don't wear it because I I don't wanna have the.
CRAIG
Oh wow. Godzilla monsters.
Speaker
Authors great.
WENDY
Same reaction that people.
CRAIG
Kind of judgement that it's kind of infantile or you should grow out from that, which, yeah, many, many. I guess younger people, you know, kind of don't realise that yeah that that that Australia is quite concern.
WENDY
Yeah. Yes, yes.
CRAIG
And there can be this sense of, you know, you just grow up. You hit places like Japan and, you know, older women and men have tonnes of pop culture around them. They're their mobile phones are decorated with outrageous stuff.
WENDY
It's great. I think that's great.
NICHOLAS
Exactly. And the one big thing of pop culture would probably be Disney. Sorry, doctor. Two and Cardiff for a.
CRAIG
Period, right. So let's well, let's set the scene. Well, please, doctor. Who sounds. Yeah. To make sure. Because we're going to move on now. So this is so.
WENDY
Ohh, but I haven't mentioned Calico Town. We'll talk about.
CRAIG
It later we'll cause. Yeah, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll circle. Back for that.
WENDY
If we have time.
NICHOLAS
A bit, yeah, but we will. That's it, you see. Wendy and I've been watching Doctor Who. Since it was black and white. Wow. So from this 1963. Yeah, well, maybe a bit later than that, but some of our favourite Doctor Who's were black and white.
CRAIG
From the.
WENDY
We were really we were all.
CRAIG
Yeah. Wow. So we're talking like William Hartnell.
WENDY
Yeah, I love John. I love John Pertwee and John and.
NICHOLAS
Wow. Patrick trouton. Yeah. Yeah, however. And then so we've watched it go through a number of different stages.
WENDY
Patrick trouton. Patrick chout. Yeah, I love both of them.
NICHOLAS
And we were lucky enough that our daughter went overseas in 2013.
CRAIG
2013 So this is very recent. So Doctor Who came back, of course. Doctor Who was off air for a while.
NICHOLAS
Right. And and she has a.
WENDY
And it's been. Big in Vail since it came back. Sorry. Yeah. So it's. Yeah. So it's in Wales.
CRAIG
All right.
WENDY
Yay. Sorry nick. Go on. And she came back. You.
NICHOLAS
Well, she went overseas in 2013 and within a couple of weeks she was living in Cardiff, which is the capital of Wales. But she's always been probably because of us Doctor Who, and science fiction fan.
CRAIG
No way. Yes way. Wines.
NICHOLAS
Yeah. So.
WENDY
I could tell you more about that, but I. Won't go into. It now.
NICHOLAS
Yeah. Anyway, when we went over, we had a family connection. Yeah. Doctor Who, central. Like the heartbeat of doctor. So soon after she went there in 2013. We also, at the end of 2013, went over to visit because she was homesick and she took us on the Doctor Who experience Doctor.
Speaker 1
See.
WENDY
Yes.
CRAIG
Who this is? An actual thing called.
NICHOLAS
The Doctor Who experience. And what it is is BBC Four studios.
CRAIG
Yes.
WENDY
It was.
NICHOLAS
Was right next door, and so they had the Doctor Who experience set up and that had.
CRAIG
A whole studio filming Doctor Who. There as well, right?
WENDY
No, no. Yes, they had the TARDIS.
NICHOLAS
Yeah, we went. We went to the we went to the Doctor Who experience, yes. And then later we went to where they filmed Doctor Who. Yes, but at the. In Cardiff and the and the Doctor Who experience.
WENDY
And they've got the they've got the. Odyssey.
NICHOLAS
First of all, you start off and before you walk in on a big pole out hanging out of the water is a TARDIS. Wow, right. So then then you go like it's hovering there. Yeah, and that.
WENDY
That's not there anymore because it's gone. But yeah, it was great. OK, go on, Nick. Sorry. Someone wants to see.
NICHOLAS
I'm talking about 2013. We're going back in time like Doctor Who would do, and you'd go in and we've been twice the you would see things such as, yeah, all the major.
WENDY
Yes.
CRAIG
Villains and all the major major doctors. Cybermen. Yes. Sea monsters? Yes, the Saigon.
WENDY
Every single one. Real the real costumes.
NICHOLAS
The Daleks. Wow. Yeah, right. And more than one sort of Dalek. Yeah, and you'd see the Doctor Who's totally Tom and they're costumes. And they're scarves. Wow. Right. And then they'll be the. And their. Their. Screwdrivers, the Sonic screwdrivers, so all the props they.
WENDY
All they all designed their own right.
NICHOLAS
Buy. Them you you can buy them and each one. Each stock had a different design. They design them and so and see. One of my things is that I collect scarves. Not that I have a Doctor Who.
Speaker
Yeah.
NICHOLAS
Scarf. I was gonna. Ask, but I have a whole collection of scarves and I bought a few along today. The one I have here is my. Favourite one, which is from Peru? Yes. Beautiful. Multicoloured Peruvian and Wendy might remember because her sister brought it one back for her and one back for me. What was the material? I think it's alpaca. Alpaca, yeah, but the colours are fantastic.
WENDY
Beautiful. Yeah, sure. It's all hand done. It's just, yeah.
NICHOLAS
Yeah, but as well as that, when we went to Morocco.
CRAIG
Yes, and Nick's standing up now and going through the next. So if you do want to see this. You can always. Jump on YouTube and an interesting grey.
Speaker
Yes.
WENDY
It it doesn't look that exciting, but it's absolutely most soft material. It's absolutely amazing.
CRAIG
Really. Ohh, right, right. So it's a very tactile, tangible experience.
WENDY
Beautiful. Beautiful.
NICHOLAS
And the one that we saw, we went to a.
WENDY
The Craig.
NICHOLAS
A special space, I'm just. Trying to look for the.
WENDY
Says cashmere. And he's cashmere. But but.
CRAIG
Kashmir. Yes. Wow. How much is that on eBay? Let's find out. It looks gorgeous. So what? What? Where's? This from this is. From OK.
NICHOLAS
Morocco.
CRAIG
Morocco. Wow. Morocco.
WENDY
They make a lot of amazing things in Morocco. It's amazing.
CRAIG
OK. OK, rocket.
NICHOLAS
We went to a place. Sorry, when we were in Morocco and that's more recently. Yeah, there was a place that we went to where they did the dying of the materials.
CRAIG
I'd like to get the map back on your mouth.
NICHOLAS
From 2000 years ago.
CRAIG
So it's the same type of technique, yes, they, they.
NICHOLAS
These big vats where we were up on. Say the 4th. Or fifth floor, looking down and smelling the stench from these big rounds of urine. Whatever.
CRAIG
Ohh really? Else so like terms in terms of.
NICHOLAS
Really.
CRAIG
Really old school.
WENDY
It was the grossest smell I have.
Speaker
Wow.
CRAIG
Wow.
WENDY
I encountered in my life. I nearly fainted. It was so bad.
CRAIG
You've never been to a toilet that smells bad. No. No way. No. And this is actually part of a clothes making process.
WENDY
No, not as bad as never. No, it was, but it wasn't. It's it's like lot rotting flesh as well. It's it's like everything they use for making the different colours of the dye. It's been there for centuries and so it's and and they.
CRAIG
Oh wow. But there's no theme park ride for that, no. Literally, it's kind of baked into the.
WENDY
Yes, and they said the people who worked there worked there probably all their lives.
CRAIG
Building.
WENDY
So they're used to the smell.
NICHOLAS
You still? Yeah.
WENDY
I literally nearly fainted. I had to leave because it was so bad.
CRAIG
Yeah. Well, it's one thing you can't.
NICHOLAS
Because you were up on the 4th or 5th floor and it's like an open balcony.
WENDY
Oh.
NICHOLAS
So the smell just comes in and depends which way the wind's blowing as to how bad it is, but then then they'll be selling the leather. Maybe the leather leather of camels or various other animals, and they treat the leather down there, right? No, no. By the time it's all been processed.
WENDY
That leather didn't smell bad. Not like this. This.
CRAIG
Really, you wouldn't think that the dying process to die. Cashmere or clothing would require such a stance.
WENDY
Different colours. See the different colours.
CRAIG
Right. Yeah. And those colours, of course, are from organic things. Yes, those organic things are breaking. They're also dealing with leather and those sorts of things, selling lots of leather, leather too. So animals and skinning animals and.
NICHOLAS
And they're they're dealing with down. And.
WENDY
Yes, yes, yes. All that, all of that, all of the above? Yes. And it was so bad. And I just had to leave and everyone else like that, I don't know.
CRAIG
Yeah. Wow. Wow.
WENDY
Everyone coped.
CRAIG
They did it because it is interesting confronting that, I mean usually I mean theme parks again we're talking about this fake. Yeah. Yeah. Where you get to to kind of see these exotic other spaces. Other worlds. Yeah.
WENDY
It's not so real.
CRAIG
Sometimes when you're confronted the reality, yeah, of the exoticness of it. It can actually be upsetting. Yeah. And I mean.
WENDY
Ohh yeah, it really is and and and the real world intersects with theme parks. As I said earlier, when one of the the some people got injured it's it's not all. All completely like an alternative reality. It's it's actually sometimes very much intersecting with our real world.
CRAIG
Which of course, is fascinating because it's it's. The exception to. The rule they. Yes. Shouldn't you know there's there should be that kind of magical circle where you go in and everything's fake and no one's really.
WENDY
Well, well, can, can I just mention sorry about before you go on about Calico Town.
CRAIG
But going to get eaten by a shot.
WENDY
That was a real town. It was actually a real town in America. It goes.
CRAIG
Right in America, ghost town like like is it kind of a Western or like a depression era town, right?
WENDY
Yes. No, it was. It was before then it was. It was back in, in the days when they used to.
CRAIG
The Cowboys.
WENDY
Yeah, the Cowboys and the all the different mine it was had a mine there. That's why they built the town around the mine. Well, when that became depleted then the.
CRAIG
Mines rights. Whole town became a ghost town and they turned it into. And when you say Ghost Town, it's not just that no ones there. Anymore, it's that it's. A yeah. As you're saying attraction, So what?
WENDY
Yes, yes.
CRAIG
There's a ghost town attraction space. Like is it? Is it like Disneyland? Like a theme park like you go in and there's theme park areas or it's kind of real.
Speaker
Well.
WENDY
Yeah, it's real. It's real. It was real. All the buildings that were still there were real buildings that were once used by the locals.
CRAIG
So it's kind of a. Between a museum and and a theme area.
WENDY
It's a living museum, I suppose you'd say. And they said there actually were people who live there because they had to look after the.
CRAIG
Place. So we're talking a bit more about that like it's it's kind of like Port Arthur here in Tasmania where people visit and there's also a ghost tour and there's stories of it so. Let's put this on camera. So this is the wow. This is from when did you go to 1980 something?
WENDY
8283 yeah, 8283.
CRAIG
Wow, so this is the fascinating authentic map that you got. And were you excited? Did you see ghosts? I mean, they they kind of pictured.
WENDY
Yes. Ohh no, they told us about. There was a couple of buildings there that they actually had closed off and that people didn't go into and they said that's where they had a ghost of someone of the lady and one of them. And there was a man and another one. So they actually did had seen ghosts there.
CRAIG
As a ghost space or.
WENDY
Because it's very old.
CRAIG
It reminds me a bit of sovereign Hill, right? He's kind of.
WENDY
Yes, yes, it's probably very similar. I haven't been to Sovereign Hill, but it's and I know old Sydney town, they have new Sydney in NSW. I've been there and it's very similar to that sort of idea, but this was actually a real working, living, breathing town, a bit like Southern Hill, which was as well and similar thing that mines could get depleted and they completely everyone moves away. But with this one here I have to just say the story when we got there mum and dad have been there before and they said. Right. We get there, we go straight up the top of the hill. We just keep walking to it. Get the top of the hill to the Ice Cream Cafe and ice cream parlour and we get in there and we order ice cream sundaes.
CRAIG
I. OK, that's a good goal.
WENDY
Honestly, so we got there and we ordered one each. Four of us, they were so huge. They had like 10 scoops of ice cream in each 15 bananas. Everything. And and I went. One would have done all four of us and and everyone else who got there missed.
CRAIG
Wow.
WENDY
Out because they used all ohh. Really really.
CRAIG
So I mean I because yeah, you hear a lot about the over serving that goes on.
WENDY
I think one, I think one person.
CRAIG
The sizes are are twice or $3 as much as what you turn 3, but I never heard of them and then they ran out, right?
WENDY
Honestly. Well, the well the person behind us I think got got some. After that, they didn't have any of us watching. Us eat these. Huge. Like literally, they were absolutely enormous. And I said, did they used to serve them in the day and said, yeah, ohh no way. And I had to get other actually, there are a few other kids on that tour, they.
CRAIG
Did you finish it?
Speaker
Ah.
WENDY
They. Helped us have some, but they did say look, that's the sort of serving they used to have back in the day. We're actually using the proper real Sunday.
CRAIG
Ohh good.
WENDY
Trays that they used to use to back in.
CRAIG
So it's not just a little. You know, champagne glass or something?
WENDY
No, it was a huge train. There was a huge tray. Yeah, tray glass tray, an Oval shape that was covered in ice cream.
CRAIG
A tray of ice cream. So it's almost like you're giving A2 litre bucket of ice cream from the supermarket.
WENDY
Just about, yes, absolutely incredible. And they said, oh, that's what they would. That's what they used to serve back in the day, but probably a whole family would have eaten them as well.
CRAIG
Wow. And it would be in like a nickel or something.
WENDY
It was, it was. It was about that. Yes, they had the old prices up on the on the board to show you and it costs.
NICHOLAS
So.
CRAIG
Barely nothing. Ohh, the exchange rate was strong.
WENDY
No, no, because they charged us pretty well the rate that it would have been like. I barely know, you know, like a bit more maybe, but.
CRAIG
Ohh wow right, it's red. Normally you'd imagine theme.
WENDY
Not much more.
NICHOLAS
Parks. So how much is a nickel?
WENDY
No cost billing, nothing.
NICHOLAS
For the non Americans.
WENDY
And nickel is. Is that 25?
CRAIG
Cents is that quarter.
WENDY
That's a quarter. So what's a nickel? A nickel is $0.20. Is that right? I can't remember cause I haven't been there for to America for a long time. But I. But I the cost a dollar, I think they cost a dollar. The ones we got there something like a dollar each something.
CRAIG
Do you know Nicholas?
WENDY
Incredible amount. And it's just like this is just ridiculous.
NICHOLAS
I think a dime was like $0.10, but don't quote me on that one. Yeah, so.
WENDY
Yeah. Yeah. Dimes. $0.10, that's for sure.
NICHOLAS
That.
WENDY
But it was it was fascinating how they actually justified what they were doing by just saying, well, that's what they used to do. And this is what you're coming here for the.
NICHOLAS
Real experience, and it's true. We were, I, I do have a family story from my dad's side of the family. And when he was about 16, he went to Canada and the US and there was one story. Where he was standing outside the bank and this bloke rode up in a horse. And got him to look after it for him while he went into the bank and came out and then paid him a silver dollar horse just for looking after the horse. And this is either 1800s or early 1900s. And the the bloke that asked me to do that was Rockefeller.
CRAIG
Ohh right, the famous capitalist.
NICHOLAS
Oil tank? Yes, that's what he became. And then his kids and whatever carried on from earning so much money. But getting back to Doctor Who.
CRAIG
Right.
Speaker
Yes.
NICHOLAS
When we went to the BBC Four studio, we got to actually stand on the the TARDIS. That was the current TARDIS at the.
CRAIG
Time and you mean like you? Everyone knows the blue box. The police spots, right? So they have.
NICHOLAS
Inside the blue box where?
CRAIG
You had my part.
NICHOLAS
It has essentially you had the central part and you could walk right around it and had all the gadgets. That were there. And then when we went downstairs.
CRAIG
And did it look like it does?
NICHOLAS
On TV? Or did it look exactly it look more Zach Zach looks. Same colours, same size.
WENDY
No, but every doctor has their own TARDIS as well, so they changed the TARDIS for each doctor. Yeah, and this was the one for Matt Smith.
Speaker
Yes.
WENDY
That we saw, yes.
CRAIG
Which is like I'm trying to remember. It's not kind of Chrome colour.
WENDY
2015 had all had a lot of.
NICHOLAS
And orange, orange, orange. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then we walked down the other side of the.
WENDY
And green. Yes, a lot of that.
Speaker
Plate.
NICHOLAS
Form. And there was a big curtain there and we said you weren't supposed to. That's behind the look on there. No, look, I did. And there was another TARDIS inside. No spoilers. So that was the new TARDIS for the new Doctor because. Yeah, Matt Smith was bleeding.
CRAIG
What's behind the curtain and had to take a peek? Nicholas. Yeah.
WENDY
Yes, it was. It was going to be Peter, Peter. Peter.
NICHOLAS
What's his name? Peter Batali. Yeah. Wow, that's it.
CRAIG
Pink body. And then did they beat you? Did they? Say, hey what? Are you doing? We must wipe your memory now.
WENDY
No, no. But they said no one's allowed to look behind the curtain because the new Doctor, the new Doctor, is in the building, and it was actually Peter Capaldi. And they didn't. And Nicholas swing from the back. And he said I saw the new.
CRAIG
And did they see Nicholas do it? Yeah. Yeah. Oh. Wow. And no one I didn't didn't get caught.
NICHOLAS
I I didn't tell anyone.
CRAIG
Out they then.
WENDY
Had they told me to move? Away, yeah.
NICHOLAS
Ohh, but then we were able to see other bits and pieces from Doctor Who.
CRAIG
Wow. How did you feel? One. Why?
NICHOLAS
In the studio.
CRAIG
Why did you look behind the curtain? Some people would be afraid to look behind the curtains like.
WENDY
I didn't. I didn't look.
NICHOLAS
I don't wanna get. I'm a scientist. I like experimenting. And if someone tells me something I no. Yeah, especially don't do that. But I want to check for myself.
CRAIG
Don't do that.
NICHOLAS
Is that what it's really like?
CRAIG
So looking behind that curtain. Was an opportunity to.
Speaker
No.
NICHOLAS
See the TARDIS.
CRAIG
In in, in in all of the TARDIS like like even the parts they don't want you to look.
WENDY
Yes, yes.
NICHOLAS
At it. Yeah. Well, it's it was the actual police box. You could see about 20 metres away.
WENDY
Yes, but they were building new TARDIS. As well, yeah. So we knew there was a new Doctor coming.
NICHOLAS
But there was only a curtain.
CRAIG
So curiosity didn't kill the cat. Ohh right. So, but who else looked behind that was? Was it just you?
NICHOLAS
It was just a curve.
WENDY
I I I did too, because I see. No, no. I came to get him cause I said they're telling you to get away from there. You're not allowed to be there.
NICHOLAS
Ohh, now it comes out. This is the first time I've heard this one. No, I didn't hear that.
WENDY
It's security. She gets you get your husband. He's not allowed to be looking there. The doctor's there or something.
CRAIG
So. Came over. And. And you also then?
WENDY
Looked at ohh no I I only saw so much as.
CRAIG
I saw Nicholas had it open a bit.
WENDY
But there are some group of people there as. Well, that he saw. That I didn't look at. I didn't look at any of them. I just said come now cause saw the back of Peter Capaldi. He.
NICHOLAS
I deny all knowledge.
WENDY
The new Doctor.
CRAIG
Was there did other people on the tour ask you what you'd seen? Were you kind of like because you'd?
NICHOLAS
Yes. Seen the forbidden, I was sorry.
WENDY
Yes, they did. They did ask. You, they said. What did you see? What was it?
NICHOLAS
No, just police folks.
WENDY
He said just the police. Yeah. No, no.
CRAIG
Really, you didn't disclose the fact that you.
NICHOLAS
No, because by this time everyone else was sitting down, ready for a bit more of a talk.
CRAIG
Wow. And it didn't. It didn't ruin the trip, right? They didn't ask you to leave. They didn't. It's fascinating.
NICHOLAS
No, no, they were very good. They were very good about it, yeah.
WENDY
They were actually lovely. They were lovely about the fact they was so naughty.
NICHOLAS
And. Well, I hadn't. I didn't hear the instructions, you see.
WENDY
Oh, right. Because that's why I had to go and get him because he didn't know that.
NICHOLAS
Because I was, I was like the last one. That was the last one down. Yeah, we've got a few stories like that.
WENDY
He wasn't supposed to look.
NICHOLAS
Some of them don't end as well as this one.
WENDY
Did really well.
CRAIG
Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. So did you keep that secret until after Peter Capaldi became the doctor, like? And then I tweet that actually from the back. Definitely. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I'm sure you'll be able.
NICHOLAS
We've pretty well kept it till today.
WENDY
And and and in fact, in fact, Nicholas didn't even know he was looking at the new Doctor, but it was only the security told me. Get him away from there. The new doctor's in there and I didn't tell him that because I I told him later. But at the time he didn't know. But looking back now, he definitely saw him. Yes.
CRAIG
To go back, spoiler alert. Oh. Wow.
WENDY
Yeah, because I hadn't released the information. You see, it wasn't. It was a big secret.
CRAIG
Right. So as you're saying at the time, you didn't hear not behind the curtain, no. So Nicholas, yeah, you're there.
NICHOLAS
No, the the others were over there and heard. And I'm sort of coming down the the stairs. And it wasn't. It was only about 3 feet away. Was this curtain. So I just had a bit.
CRAIG
Of a peek? Was it mortifying to you?
NICHOLAS
Behind it.
CRAIG
Have someone like disobey.
WENDY
Clear the security came up to me and.
CRAIG
Said can you get your help? Really, because they the security weren't gonna go near Nicholas. They thought this guy's dangerous. Gonna go near him. We'll get his wife to do it.
WENDY
No, no. Yes. No, they were they. Yeah. Yeah. They got me to go and get him because they sort of felt probably that I could. Cajole him better than.
NICHOLAS
They could, but I didn't spend a lot of time looking. It wasn't like a. Pull pulled it back fully and yeah, actually, no, I didn't. I didn't. No, I think we were told we weren't allowed to take photos of any of this stuff. So yeah.
CRAIG
Got your camera out.
WENDY
Actually, no, he didn't take a photo. No, no, he no, he didn't, definitely not. Yes.
CRAIG
Ohh at any point.
WENDY
No photos, so we knew not to take them, but it was just one of those moments that if he had have known he could have been the one who told the world.
CRAIG
Yeah. Yeah. Hey, if you had, did you have a shown edge radio, you could have announced it here.
WENDY
No, no, not then. We didn't. Our daughter did though she had.
CRAIG
Come back to Australia. Have one then.
NICHOLAS
Yeah, yeah, she.
WENDY
One there very, very good.
NICHOLAS
She could have. Had this, her and her two friends used to have a demystify. For me, which now they now I think the BBC have got that name, but they had the name beforehand.
WENDY
Like in the beginning, right? Let's start with. Yes, yes. So basically we've talked about a few things. We've talked about a few things today, but there's a lot of reasons why it's really important, I think to find your own.
CRAIG
Well, I've got 2 minutes left so.
WENDY
Parts of the I suppose media that that interest you and get involved if you can like we're we we like, we love radio and we've got involved in radio.
CRAIG
Excellent advice. Yeah, and and well, yeah, this radio studio itself has appeared on television, the ABC comedy show.
WENDY
Do not think either.
CRAIG
Rose haven. Rose haven. Yeah, season one. Episode 5. Yeah, he's filmed in this.
WENDY
Yes, of course. Yes, yes, yes.
CRAIG
Studio fantastic. Yeah, yeah.
WENDY
I sent, sent. Photos of that yes yes. Ohh fantastic yes so.
NICHOLAS
Yeah, and don't forget that Edge radio trains people.
WENDY
Yes.
NICHOLAS
To go on the radio or support people that go.
CRAIG
On radio you can be out of.
NICHOLAS
The Magic media and also they train people to do podcasting.
Speaker
And.
WENDY
Ohh yes, that's that's we've done. We've done both.
CRAIG
Right, yes, so. We, we II conflict of interest, I will say I'm. The trainer? Yeah. So.
NICHOLAS
You're you're the trainer now, but the very first podcast training we were with that group and that's when COVID was on and our trainer had gone to Sydney to. Yeah, see family. Yeah. Plenty. Yeah.
WENDY
Ohh yes.
CRAIG
Didn't very well.
NICHOLAS
He got stuck there because of COVID and he did it. Yes, via video.
WENDY
He ended up being.
CRAIG
Well, some things you don't need to go in the real flesh, but it's fantastic hearing stories of being in the real flesh to visit media. Locations yes and.
WENDY
Another time we might be able to come on another time.
NICHOLAS
We've got some great stories about Ireland.
CRAIG
I want. Yeah, next time we'll, we'll. Maybe we'll do history. Yeah, we'll, we'll.
NICHOLAS
Get we'll we we've got a story about Wendy's birthday. And Finn mccool.
WENDY
Yes, we gotta.
NICHOLAS
An island so we can talk for.
WENDY
Go. OK. All the best. Thanks. Thanks Craig. Thank you. Thanks. Doctor. Doctor Craig. Thank you everyone.
CRAIG
Thanks, Craig, Nicholas and Wendy for cover God it's been. An absolute pleasure.
WENDY
Not Doctor Who, doctor Craig.
NICHOLAS
Yeah. Thanks, doctor Craig.
CRAIG
Exactly like that.
WENDY
Yes, thank you. Thank you.
CRAIG
And you've been wonderful companions on this journey. Keep listening, Taylor. Still a toll for K Pop unlimited. So we'll just be playing some really cool edge tunes and you've been listening to media mothership for.
WENDY
Thank you.
CRAIG
Another week.
NICHOLAS
Cool.
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