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Pop Culture Pilgrimages: From Disneyland to Doctor Who

Episode 78 - With host Craig Norris and special guests Wendy and Nicholas.
First Broadcast on Edge Radio, 21st June 2024.

In this episode, we delve into the fascinating world of media tourism, journeying to iconic destinations made famous by movies and TV shows. Join me as I chat with Wendy and Nicholas from Edge Radio's Mental Connections (Tues 2 to 3 PM). Together, we’ll share unforgettable tales and humorous anecdotes from our travels, ranging from the magical realms of Disneyland to the streets of Cardiff, immortalized by Doctor Who. Tune in as we uncover the joys and hurdles of globetrotting to these beloved media hotspots.


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CRAIG

All right. Welcome to media mothership here on Edge Radio Studios in Nippa Luna, Hobart. TAS. On the show, we explore how media can shape our understanding of the world around us. I am your host, doctor Craig. I'm joined my the experts from Edge Radio's other show, mental connections. Wendy and Nicholas Masters, extraordinaire of all things connected to mental illness. I can illiterate like.

NICHOLAS

That, yeah, mental connections looks at mental health issues in Tasmania. Yeah, and beyond.

CRAIG

So I'm getting you to put a slightly different hat on. For this show. Which will be your adventures overseas and Interstate as you've explored the world around us, and in particular where media, popular culture, movies, television, novels have overlapped with those travels. Because we were talking. A while back about some of the exciting. Places you've visited and you you had. We did a little bit of. Kind of fan culture or Fanisha Ness of some some great series popular television series and movies, so. We're we're going to explore this phenomenon of media tourism.

NICHOLAS

Well, I think we should start with Wendy. She did some ships to the United States and overseas the UK before we met, so. Universal Studios might be a good place to start.

CRAIG

Universal Studios. All right, so maybe I should play like this thing. Let me. Let me try to play a theme song that might get people slightly in the mood for where you're about to transport us. We'll see if people at home can guess what we're hearing.

WENDY

OK. OK.

NICHOLAS

So yes, I wanted to say danger, Will Robinson.

CRAIG

The menacing, fantastic orchestration of of Jaws. Yes. So what happened to you? Because what? What? I guess what? What year? What dates? Was this that you?

WENDY

It was early end of 82 early 831983. So I was young and I was with my mum and dad and my little sister. And we went to the US and on a guided tour and included on the tour a number of wonderful opportunities, such as Universal Studios and Disneyland Anaheim.

CRAIG

Wow and. So this is. Early 80s, yes. And I mean George came out the decade before and but I also know there was like ET over like that like this would be prime ET time, right.

Speaker

Yes.

WENDY

Definitely yes. ET was huge and we when we were walking into the whole complex, they had. Big. Posters and photographs and all sorts of information on EP, the movie. And it was so wonderful because it was. Yeah, just the way that they've done it all. And then also, of course, battle, Battlestar Galactica. It came out the original one with the Cylons who actually robotic and they had some of them and it was all we went on a sort of like a tour.

CRAIG

Yes.

WENDY

On the tour, they turned all the lights off and suddenly you had this Cylon and it was actually really scary.

Speaker

Hmm.

CRAIG

Here you go. Let me actually, because some people might know that wonderful sound that the Cylons have. I'll. I'll see if I can do a quick here. We. Go. So. That kind of Cylon? The.

NICHOLAS

The with the. The light. That's the eye going across to the same tune.

Speaker

Yeah.

CRAIG

It's fantastic. So if you're watching us on YouTube, you can also watch us on YouTube and Twitch and Wendy has brought in her for. Her her photo. Album, so we'll be posting putting some of. Them up as. She's unclipping them from the album up on the the stream.

NICHOLAS

You might have to have it so that it shows properly.

CRAIG

Well, it's more of a kind of, I guess, hint that there's an actual photo album that we're.

WENDY

Looking at and, there's also a what was called the ET Earth Centre, and that was really interesting too, and had lots of important information about the environment and what we can do to help protect our. Earth because I.

CRAIG

Guess people have never been to universal. Studios. It's it's a, it's a theme park, right? And so obviously you've got Universal Studios, which is famous for producing movies and television. And so it's that real. I mean, what I what I find so fascinating about looking at stories of people going to locations and then. Recognising where they've been filmed. Or their their kind of reenactments is, is that idea that it can really have you fall in love with the magic of movies, right? What was memorable or what left some of the biggest impressions on you from Universal Studios?

WENDY

I think one of the things that really struck me was just the fact that it was so diverse. I didn't realise how they actually made films, so they actually showed you what they did when they made a film like as in. They took you to a certain set and then they they said, OK, everyone's gotta stay over this way and then they flooded the whole street. With water and. Yeah, and it was amazing. And they were like, people can actually drown in this. So watch out. It was it was quite a serious sort of set. It was like a prop. The buildings were actually some of them actually, fully. Completed, but a lot of them were just facades.

CRAIG

And what's I guess what's interesting there is that when you're watching the film, where there would be a flood, the reality you're seeing in that movie is of, like the dam is broken or something. And this huge flood has occur. And it's believable, right? It's believable that it's a real impact of water. Yeah. When you go to a a theme park and they reenact a scene, you kind of realise that, you know, it's fake. It's a very controlled. Explosion very controlled flood. While there's risks there, nevertheless, there's a sense that. You know it's, is it kind of like going to the sausage factory? Right. Many people talk about that, that that cliche of they became vegetarian because they went to the sausage factory and they never want to eat. Meat again do. You go to these theme parks and see how they're done and think I'm never going to watch. Movies again because it's.

WENDY

Fake. Ohh no, it just you.

CRAIG

It's the opposite. It feels like isn't, yeah.

WENDY

Insights. It gives you insights because you see more about what what goes into it. And I actually found after that I started to notice a lot more of the detail in movies like things I hadn't really noticed before like continuity errors and things like that. Just just things that I hadn't really thought. About and also about like some as you said some things are fake, but like this actual water. This flood was actually real, a real flood, so sometimes it's real. And they also took us to another area of the western area where they had paid for. They shot saloon, they had a saloon and they shot the Western movies. And they actually had people stunt men there, falling off buildings, doing all this amazing. Stuff right in front of us. Explosions, gunfire. It was really, really. Well done and it sort of showed you how they film those sort of scenes and they're really full on the stunt. People are just absolutely incredible. I do not know how they do what they do. It's it's actually dangerous. One person got injured when we were there, they broke their arm right in front of us. And it was really, really bad. So.

CRAIG

Really.

WENDY

It's actually full on. Yeah, definitely, yeah.

CRAIG

And again, that would, I mean obviously in the films when fights are occurring, they're not real fights and it's rare to have injuries like this because these are professional stunt people. And again, much like that idea of on cinema when we were watching that. Action the like the the the Western hero land a punch and the villain goes over the second story of the saloon or something and falls down on the ground it looks. Kind of really bad in terms of like the the villain is gonna die. He's gonna fall down. That was a real punch. You know, you're convinced by the lunch.

NICHOLAS

Yes, yes, yes. But the reality sometimes is that. To get to that stage, they've had to practise it and maybe in practise someone's been injured and maybe sometimes they have a wire attached to them and protecting them in that way and maybe other times they don't have any wire and they land in a funny way or they copper hit. They didn't expect to get so.

CRAIG

Yeah.

NICHOLAS

But to me it reminds me a little bit of the the wrestling where, OK, it's a script, but.

WENDY

Then that's.

NICHOLAS

But. These people actually get hurt and they put up.

CRAIG

With the hurt. But if that painter goes, they haven't. They've kind of, you know, it's interesting because they're meant to look like they're in pain. If they actually are in pain, something's gone wrong. Right. Something's gone wrong. Someone's done something that shouldn't have.

NICHOLAS

Yeah, well, I. Happened. I remember Jackie Chan broke his foot and.

Speaker

Hmm.

NICHOLAS

Kept going. Put a a cast on and kept going. Right. So they have genuine injuries.

WENDY

Yeah, yeah, but what? So what I was gonna say though about this, these these were stunt people who've done this scene many, many times before, but what had happened was it had been raining, actually raining, which it doesn't happen a lot in in desert areas in this sort of area in California and. And basically it was slippery and he fell awkwardly and they didn't have they didn't have wires on, they were just doing it purely using mattresses or soft landing type situations. But he he twisted as he fell and because of that he landed on his arm. Yeah. And they had to. They stopped everything. They were really, really professional. They stopped everything. They got the medics in.

NICHOLAS

Yeah.

WENDY

Took him away and they came back late and said he's OK. He's broken his arm, but it's not. It's OK. He's all right.

CRAIG

It's an interesting transition. I think that moment of because it it it no longer becomes entertaining in a way, right, like the the crowd would be hushed in a sense of the gravity of what the. It's it's not entertaining anymore. So again, it is that really fascinating tension when you're going to see how the movies are made. And it's a very safe space and you're seeing how it's very fake. But that's the entertainment of it, right? We're given permission to enjoy this because we're not really seeing a shark eat someone. It's all fake. We're not really seeing someone die. It's a fake gun.

NICHOLAS

Exact a fake well.

CRAIG

So when we do see someone get injured in. A theme park. Space A performer. It it. It's really fascinating. Now it's the same. Concept in terms of we've. Seen you know the the kind of body be hit by something, but in this case it's it's the real consequences of it rather than. And he stands up and walks away because it's fake. Instead the ambulance comes, the stretcher comes and yeah, it's it's. It's a fascinating little philosophical moment. Almost in terms of.

WENDY

But it does happen a lot to stump people and to the full on Screen Actors as well, that they can get hurt and some of them even die. It's it's really serious stuff that they do.

NICHOLAS

It is, yeah. And the water going down the. Street reminds me of theatre in Paris. 1980 was the first time I'd gone overseas and we went to France and we're in Paris and we went to the Lido and saw a show in the Lido and in that show they had a number of different scenes. One scene was some ice skaters. Came up from the floor. Oh, wow. And they skated on the ice. And then later on that went down. Then they had, I think it was a scene from the Mikado. But I might be wrong with this. And they had the singing and they had the bridge and the performers are on the bridge and all of a sudden the. Bridge started to shake. And then the bridge collapsed and all this water came in tonnes of water, right? Not.

CRAIG

Deliberately, this was part of the.

NICHOLAS

Yeah, it. Act part of the act and you think, where do the tonnes of water come from and where do they go, you know? And then that reminds us of. When I first went to Disneyland or when he took me to Disneyland and she'd been beforehand.

WENDY

I've been three times to Anaheim now and I I I don't know about the other disneylands, but that's pretty awesome because it's got the history too, and it's the original 1.

NICHOLAS

Yeah. So.

CRAIG

Yeah, so Disney. Planned. I mean what I mean, many people will know some. Of the key. Properties media franchises that are linked to Disneyland. What were the ones?

NICHOLAS

And. That stood out, the one that stood out for me, and I'm not sure about Wendy. We did this on behalf of our kids at the time, and we went from 9:00 in the morning to midnight when it closed. Wow.

Speaker

So. Well.

WENDY

Yes.

NICHOLAS

And we wanted to go on the Indiana Jones and Temple of Doom ride, which we heard was the best one. And when we arrived, we went on a couple of little ones like Pinocchio and the. It's a small world, right? And then there was a big sign that said it told you how long the wait was with with each of them and Indiana Jones and Temple of Doom was a 15 minute wait and we had more than 5 minutes was the most for us up to then we said no, I'm not gonna wait that long. Then the next time you go past the sign, it's like. An hour and then the next time it's an.

CRAIG

Ah.

NICHOLAS

Hour and a. Nicola, in the end it was just before midnight that we finally, actually an hour or so before we we got into the line and eventually we got to the front of the line. And we've been in that. The snake thing like you have. At the airport. Yeah, right.

CRAIG

Yes, those kind of cues which, yeah. Yeah, kind of.

NICHOLAS

Go. So. So we're in there between an hour and two hours, and by the time we got to the end of it, I thought, well, maybe that is the experience almost like a museum. Yeah. Trip. And in there you had these great big doors, but the doors open. So you go in and it's this monstrous big vehicle.

CRAIG

Back and forth, back and. Forth.

NICHOLAS

That'll fit four people across the front, and then there's three seats. And then I was the driver of this Jeep.

CRAIG

Alright, so the seat you were in happened to. Have like a. Fake steering wheel. Fake steel.

WENDY

Yeah, yeah, you had no control over it at all.

NICHOLAS

So. So nice. No, no, no. I had the control. No, there was no control. So anyway. And the the very first scene. Yeah. You're going in. And you remember the boulder scene where the. Boulders coming, that's the classic read.

CRAIG

Ah yes. Is the last start.

NICHOLAS

And logically, you know that you're safe, right? The bowlers not gonna get me and the everyone. Else sits with us. But you're thinking, well, what's, how's this gonna happen? And all of a sudden we dropped and we're on rails and we go underneath the boulder. And that was the start of the ride. And it goes for, like, a couple of minutes. And yeah, it's a real rush all of the way. And then you get to the end of it and you think, yeah, it was worth one to two hours. Wait to get to. The two minute ride.

CRAIG

It is so fascinating, though roller coaster rides in theme parks where what I mean, the thing I love about that story, Nicholas is you have. The movie knowledge, right? So Raiders lost ark. You know, the boulders a, a terrifyingly exciting action scene in that film. The board come like Harrison Ford just triggered the trap.

NICHOLAS

Yes.

CRAIG

He's taking the idol and he's triggered the trap, though, and the boulders kind of crashing towards him and he's in a race for his life to get out of the. The Aztec tumour ovary. Is and it's thrilling. And what's fascinating, I guess, about that roller coaster ride is that or type. Of roller coaster. Ride is that it's kind of reenacting that scene in a way that's really immersive for you, right, that that logically you were saying, like logically, you know, you're safe, right? You're in this very protective car and you know that the steering wheel's fake and you. Don't have any control. But nevertheless, the adrenaline starts kicking in. Right, because the like the the you were describing the roller coaster suddenly plummets down, and so that whole physical feeling.

NICHOLAS

Yeah. You're. Like Steep Hill that goes underneath the boulder.

CRAIG

Yeah, yeah. And the psychology of that must be fascinating. I mean to wire someone up and monitor their brain patterns as.

Speaker

And.

CRAIG

They're in and what's interesting again is yeah, yeah, that there's that kind of storytelling overlap that it's not just a roller coaster. It's a roller coaster to add Indiana Jones. Where you're, you know, kind of fairness of of the props. Yeah. Vinia Jones also kind of overlaps with how you're feeling. And so yeah, it gives you this really very immersive experience.

WENDY

I was gonna also mention I've been to Universal Studios twice. Yes, sort of like two years apart. And it was different each time, like it hadn't some things were similar or the same, but ET had taken on a life of its own by then. So it was. We actually had one of the members of our group who was chosen to get on the bicycle and fly with a green screen behind them and fly with ET in the in the front of the bicycle.

CRAIG

Oh wow.

WENDY

Basket basket. That was pretty cool. And then they also had other things like they had a room that actually could rotate. And they actually had someone sit in this chair and they actually secured it in with the seat belt, sort of a safety belt. And they actually turned it so that they actually, that was sort of like turning not not completely upside down, but just to the side. And they showed you how they film certain scenes using that sort of technology and that sort of. That sort of idea. Yeah, and nothing moves except for the actual room moves. Everything is so solidly planted in the room, and it doesn't, and nothing moves except the person's hair. So they have to be careful. They said they had to do certain things to people's hair to make sure they didn't look obvious and things like that.

CRAIG

Yes. Right.

WENDY

So very really interesting.

CRAIG

I mean again, it returns that fascinating point that the we can suspend disbelief when we're watching the film and film makers go to great lengths to ensure that our disbelief is suspended, right. As you were saying in that performance space, making sure the. There doesn't move to give away that this is all fake and that actually it's the room moving or they're moving and the room staying still. Yeah, it doesn't again trigger that kind of sausage factory vegetarian moment. Instead, it's like it sounds like you. We really enjoyed films, spoiler.

NICHOLAS

It's. Yeah. And that there are also examples of life imitating art imitating life. And one example of that for us was.

WENDY

Yes.

NICHOLAS

The Pirates of the Caribbean ride.

Speaker

No.

NICHOLAS

Is and what it was is.

CRAIG

Next one where you're you're kind of seated in kind of. Like a boat.

NICHOLAS

Yeah, you, you go in and you sit in this boat and this boat chugs around to these various places, etcetera. But we went on that ride before they made the movie. Pirates of the Caribbean.

CRAIG

That's right. With the famous Jack Sparrow character, played by Johnny Depp.

WENDY

Johnny Depp.

NICHOLAS

So the actual ride preceded the movie, whereas some of the others it's the movie that precedes the ride.

CRAIG

And people were saying, how can a theme park ride be a movie? Right, say, with board games like that, they did the battleship movie.

WENDY

Hmm. True.

CRAIG

Based on the. Board game and yeah, it's it's impossible. Really difficult to convince people that never knew. It was a riot first to say no, no, no. It was a ride and people never thought it was a horrible idea, that parts of the how can you do a whole movie on a dinky little Disneyland? Yeah, exactly. Yeah. That became one of the most successful action movie franchises that spun off what, four or five sequels? And now I I I I I a few years back I went to Disneyland in Japan and they've got an animatronic Johnny Depp character in there now that you go by and and you see Jack Sparrow so it's that again as you're saying it's that kind of.

WENDY

Oh.

CRAIG

You know the what? What is the mothership? I guess for Pirates of the Caribbean. Is it the ride or is it the movies? Yes. The ride may have come first, but now the movies are more popular and better known than the ride. Yeah, so now the movie is kind of changing what the ride is.

WENDY

Yes, yes.

NICHOLAS

It's like the movies that remake of the ride, and they've expanded it. And then because it was successful quite often because of the actors in it, but you know, must have been the writing as much as anything and directing. And they say, right, we can get some money from this. So they keep redoing it. Yeah.

CRAIG

Yeah. No, it's it's strange.

WENDY

And and the other thing about Disneyland to me is that you actually get to meet. The like Mickey Mouse.

CRAIG

So did you have any magical, memorable encounters with characters?

WENDY

Well, yes. Now my favourite Disney character is goofy.

CRAIG

Goofy. Yeah, right. He does. His voice is kind of, yeah. Let me see if I can.

WENDY

And and yeah, he's a dog.

CRAIG

Find it for those that have never heard.

WENDY

Yeah. Goofy. Yeah, I know. Goofy. So goofy was. So every day they have a certain character that they choose to be the one that sits and has photos taken with the audience and the day that I was there. Guess who it was. It was goofy and it was two photographs of me with goofy. And it's super it was so it was.

CRAIG

Really.

WENDY

Really. Cool. That's.

Speaker

A long here.

CRAIG

So is it kind of? Yeah, kind of peak character, maybe the young kids would say today. Yeah, back to. With what is he? Is he a donkey? Right. So Goofy was the one out. And did you get a?

WENDY

He's a dog. Photo op. Yeah, I got. I've got two photos. Here I showed.

CRAIG

Fantastic. Oh, wow. Wow, that's Christmas goofy.

WENDY

Yeah, we were there at Christmas. No kidding? Yeah.

NICHOLAS

That's. Can you make sure?

CRAIG

It's, uh, yeah, we'll put it nice and close.

WENDY

Goofy is it was super cool it. Was a really nice. Really, really lovely.

CRAIG

Well, it's interesting the again, it's one of those things with Disneyland, you come across various kind of forensic fan videos unpacking the experience of Disneyland that you know you, you the the commitment many people have to Disneyland. But then also the life of being one of the mascots. Yeah, and.

WENDY

Hmm, it's a whole life. It's a whole career for some people. Yeah. Amazing.

NICHOLAS

Yeah, and. And the rides, they might be only small rides, or it might be a walk through, like the Pinocchio workshop. Yeah. And you go through and you, you see the little puppets and you see your pedo and whatever else, and compared to, you know, the big, thrilling heart pumping rides like Indiana Jones, it's it's a lot tamer. But then they'll also put on a show such as Pocahontas.

CRAIG

Hmm.

NICHOLAS

And you have live theatre and the show that we saw was absolutely phenomenal the, the, the, the, the singer that was playing Pocahontas. Absolutely gorgeous. Well, class. Fantastic voice, as good as anything you would hear.

CRAIG

Ever. Yeah. And it was so seamless, and it's felt like just a couple of minutes. But you watched the whole show. What I want, I mean, for many people, it strikes me that, you know, Disneyland is like, the the best day in America. And then.

WENDY

Yeah, it was incredible, really.

CRAIG

Outside of Disneyland, when you see the real American like frustrations, for instance, people live outside of America, but they love Disney movies. It can be a a fantastic experience to go to Disneyland because it is that that kind of Hollywood pop culture image of what America is this this really.

WENDY

Remember what Walt Disney said? He wanted to make the happiest place on Earth. Yes, and he he he succeeded to some extent, I think.

CRAIG

Was there a contrast between Real America and Disneyland America? Did did you kind of like, think totally America isn't as happy as Disneyland?

WENDY

Oh. Well, I'll, I'll give you a bit of an insight as well. When we first arrived into Anaheim, there there was all these phone booths in this square where you had to ring up the hotel you were staying at and they'd bring a courtesy bus to pick. You up and I kept picking up the phone and saying Sheraton Anaheim and they kept. And the sheriff kept turning up and kept looking around looking. And I'm like he was out here. And I finally twigged they thought I was saying Sheriff Anaheim, and they kept calling the sheriff to come and check on something that was happening with tourists or whatever, and they just didn't understand my accent.

CRAIG

Right.

WENDY

I have to say, Sheriff. No, no, not the Sheraton, Sheraton, Anaheim and I had to speak with an American accent. I went. Oh, you mean the Sheraton? Ohh, yeah, sure. And then they said the, the, the bus. But it was like three or four times before the they finally twigged it. So they really didn't understand what I was saying, even though we're speaking English. It was a like a real cultural divide. And when we're at Disneyland, lining up Nicholas and myself, we were speaking with some lovely people who were going to the Rose Bowl. That's why they were in California. And ohh it's a.

CRAIG

What is the Rose?

WENDY

Big.

NICHOLAS

It it's the lead up to the Super.

Speaker

Match.

NICHOLAS

Bowl and what? That what happens in America is the America the. Football. They have what they call conferences because this America's so big you gotta travel so far and it's big population. And so, you know, if you do well in your conference, then your conference will have its Super Bowl equivalent to get to the next level and the Rose Bowl is the California. Right conference or whatever. Yeah. And so but these people from Idaho, and they came to see their team.

WENDY

Yes. And and I and I said the word I said. Ohh look, we've been having heaps and heaps of. Fun or heaps? We've been doing heaps and stuff and they just kept looking at me like really puzzled and funny. Said what's heaps? Is that some sort of vegetable? And I'm like, no, no, it means a lot. It means a lot. And I just couldn't get that concept that heaps meant a lot like as in that was just a way of saying a lot of something. And it was really interesting that there's just a difference in colloquialism.

CRAIG

Yes. Yeah. Miss.

NICHOLAS

Yes, and.

WENDY

Really showed us the how you have to be so careful. What you.

NICHOLAS

Say and and Wendy's quite good when she travels because she'll slow down her speed. Which and she will cut down on the words that she uses and doesn't use as many colloquial ones as.

WENDY

Well, that's why because I found out the hard way. You can't do it. Yeah.

CRAIG

Yeah, yeah, the sheriff's. There and you don't want to annoy. Sheriff.

WENDY

No, and I apologise. I really, I said. I'm so sorry. And they went. Ohh. It's OK, ma'am. Don't worry. It's OK. That was so really nice, you know. But I just felt awful because I was wasting their time, you know? But. I didn't know.

CRAIG

Ohh yeah, look and and I think it makes perfect sense, right? I mean, the Sheraton, Sheraton but but.

WENDY

Yes. They laughed. Actually, they thought it was really funny. Yeah. You know, they were laughing.

NICHOLAS

If I'm, if I remember rightly, these are the the two. Boy and girl or whatever from Idaho that had come to see their team play.

CRAIG

Well.

WENDY

That's that's a different. Yeah. Different time. Yeah. When I went, my mum and dad, my little sister was when the sheriff's one happened. That was a 8182. But the other one was when I was with Nicholas in 8485. No, no, no, no, no.

NICHOLAS

Oh, that was a. 1. Yeah, that's true.

WENDY

90. 9097 sorry, 9697. Yeah.

NICHOLAS

96.

CRAIG

It was a lot later on, many people can underestimate the challenges that you can. Yeah, but.

NICHOLAS

Yeah.

WENDY

Yes, you you don't. And even in another culture that speaks English doesn't mean they're gonna understand what you're saying. And that's that's a really good message.

NICHOLAS

No. And the word football, it depends where you are in the world as to what it means. When I grew up, there was one of five.

Speaker

Yes.

NICHOLAS

Things you know, and then six if you add the gridiron in. So you got the Australian football AFL, you've got soccer, which you know that's probably the big world game. You've got rugby league and rugby union and you've got touch football and then you've got the American gridiron.

CRAIG

And it's fascinating, isn't it? Because that's a loaded phrase to some people, like, whatever gets to be football is on a hierarchy. Right. So they'll say, well, no, soccer is the only true football.

NICHOLAS

Yes.

CRAIG

Umm, you can call it soccer, but it's really should be called football. All those other things are not football. AFL's, not football. It's well, it's.

NICHOLAS

And. That's football, too. Yeah, well, the the story is and. Correct me if I'm wrong, but you had some English. What we would call private school, what they call public school boys playing football, which would have been the soccer and. One of the boys cheated by picking up the ball and running with it, and that's where rugby union started. Wow. And so rugby union, because it was the the rich people, the rich kids, et cetera. That was seen as an amateur thing. You didn't get paid to do it right. You could afford to play it.

Speaker

Hmm.

NICHOLAS

Then later on, rugby league was the one which was the professionals where you were paid to.

CRAIG

Play it and it was very similar, but the rules were slightly changed. So before we go too far off the track with Disneyland and Universal Studios, what about souvenirs and merchandise? Any particularly favourite or significant?

WENDY

Yes, sorry. Yes, yes, I bought. I bought some goofy socks.

CRAIG

Why socks? The costume socks, do they?

WENDY

I've still got them and I haven't wore, I've never worn.

Speaker

Them.

WENDY

No, they're just socks, socks with goofys head with the long ears on the socks, like the actual real ears on the like. I mean, not really is, but piece of material on the socks. I've never. Warn them because they might. Might I protect them cause I absolutely. I just look after them and I I've got still got them.

CRAIG

Really. Yes, from 1983 or from 81.

WENDY

81828182. Yes, yes. Ohh sorry.

NICHOLAS

Wow.

CRAIG

Hang on. See, I'm always driven to say, have you looked on eBay to see how much they're worth now? I mean, these these objects, they would.

WENDY

8283. Yeah, that. Be worth anything?

CRAIG

But so you say, Nicholas, let's get.

WENDY

I've also. I've also got a hat. I've got a hat that I found when I went with Nicholas in 97. I saw something in Australia wearing this hat.

CRAIG

On to it, let's.

WENDY

Goofy and Donald Duck and Daisy Duck and and one of the Mickey Mouse on the side on this hat. It was absolutely fantastic and I went when we went there. I checked every single hat they had in the store and at the very bottom they had this hat so.

CRAIG

Wow, really. You had to hunt and gather.

WENDY

I bought it. I've still got it. Yes, but I found it and I wore it once in Hobart and this man gave me a really nasty look. And he was really mean to me. And I haven't worn it since because I felt.

CRAIG

So do you think it was something about the hat?

WENDY

Like self conscious. This is so, so pretty black off the over the top.

CRAIG

Really. That's fascinating that.

WENDY

I've still got it. But I just. Yeah. But he was like, really mean, but I knew.

CRAIG

It had that effect you feel see, just looked at you like you wore it on the streets. Ohh.

Speaker

Yeah.

WENDY

No, I knew him a bit, but he was like he's a look at me, like, really disparaging me like. You're scum wearing that hat. Yeah, yeah.

CRAIG

Really running that hat? This was a hat. A significant yeah, it was. It was one that you also were lucky to.

WENDY

Which was a fun hat. It was a fun hat.

CRAIG

Get yes because it. It was like it sounded like it was the last one there. You had to dig through this whole bunch of hats that was there down the bottom. So it's a wonderful story. Yet putting it on, it's fascinating. I mean, obviously there are some rules of how, where or something that this other guy saw.

Speaker

Yes.

CRAIG

That thought well. That's. Incorrect.

WENDY

Rule. Well, probably the woman shouldn't be wearing it should be a kids hat. Maybe I don't know, but it was an adult size, so why can't?

NICHOLAS

Wow that.

CRAIG

An adult wear it. I don't see. It is interesting. They're mistreating your fandom of things, I think sometimes. Some people, yeah, can be quite strict.

WENDY

They don't get it like like I've got a really cool T shirt of. What's the Japanese? What's the Japanese? The Mothra, Mothra, and both of them on the same T-shirt. Mothra and I love Mothra. Mothra and Gonzo. Yeah, on on the T shirt. But I don't wear it because I I don't wanna have the.

CRAIG

Oh wow. Godzilla monsters.

Speaker

Authors great.

WENDY

Same reaction that people.

CRAIG

Kind of judgement that it's kind of infantile or you should grow out from that, which, yeah, many, many. I guess younger people, you know, kind of don't realise that yeah that that that Australia is quite concern.

WENDY

Yeah. Yes, yes.

CRAIG

And there can be this sense of, you know, you just grow up. You hit places like Japan and, you know, older women and men have tonnes of pop culture around them. They're their mobile phones are decorated with outrageous stuff.

WENDY

It's great. I think that's great.

NICHOLAS

Exactly. And the one big thing of pop culture would probably be Disney. Sorry, doctor. Two and Cardiff for a.

CRAIG

Period, right. So let's well, let's set the scene. Well, please, doctor. Who sounds. Yeah. To make sure. Because we're going to move on now. So this is so.

WENDY

Ohh, but I haven't mentioned Calico Town. We'll talk about.

CRAIG

It later we'll cause. Yeah, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll circle. Back for that.

WENDY

If we have time.

NICHOLAS

A bit, yeah, but we will. That's it, you see. Wendy and I've been watching Doctor Who. Since it was black and white. Wow. So from this 1963. Yeah, well, maybe a bit later than that, but some of our favourite Doctor Who's were black and white.

CRAIG

From the.

WENDY

We were really we were all.

CRAIG

Yeah. Wow. So we're talking like William Hartnell.

WENDY

Yeah, I love John. I love John Pertwee and John and.

NICHOLAS

Wow. Patrick trouton. Yeah. Yeah, however. And then so we've watched it go through a number of different stages.

WENDY

Patrick trouton. Patrick chout. Yeah, I love both of them.

NICHOLAS

And we were lucky enough that our daughter went overseas in 2013.

CRAIG

2013 So this is very recent. So Doctor Who came back, of course. Doctor Who was off air for a while.

NICHOLAS

Right. And and she has a.

WENDY

And it's been. Big in Vail since it came back. Sorry. Yeah. So it's. Yeah. So it's in Wales.

CRAIG

All right.

WENDY

Yay. Sorry nick. Go on. And she came back. You.

NICHOLAS

Well, she went overseas in 2013 and within a couple of weeks she was living in Cardiff, which is the capital of Wales. But she's always been probably because of us Doctor Who, and science fiction fan.

CRAIG

No way. Yes way. Wines.

NICHOLAS

Yeah. So.

WENDY

I could tell you more about that, but I. Won't go into. It now.

NICHOLAS

Yeah. Anyway, when we went over, we had a family connection. Yeah. Doctor Who, central. Like the heartbeat of doctor. So soon after she went there in 2013. We also, at the end of 2013, went over to visit because she was homesick and she took us on the Doctor Who experience Doctor.

Speaker 1

See.

WENDY

Yes.

CRAIG

Who this is? An actual thing called.

NICHOLAS

The Doctor Who experience. And what it is is BBC Four studios.

CRAIG

Yes.

WENDY

It was.

NICHOLAS

Was right next door, and so they had the Doctor Who experience set up and that had.

CRAIG

A whole studio filming Doctor Who. There as well, right?

WENDY

No, no. Yes, they had the TARDIS.

NICHOLAS

Yeah, we went. We went to the we went to the Doctor Who experience, yes. And then later we went to where they filmed Doctor Who. Yes, but at the. In Cardiff and the and the Doctor Who experience.

WENDY

And they've got the they've got the. Odyssey.

NICHOLAS

First of all, you start off and before you walk in on a big pole out hanging out of the water is a TARDIS. Wow, right. So then then you go like it's hovering there. Yeah, and that.

WENDY

That's not there anymore because it's gone. But yeah, it was great. OK, go on, Nick. Sorry. Someone wants to see.

NICHOLAS

I'm talking about 2013. We're going back in time like Doctor Who would do, and you'd go in and we've been twice the you would see things such as, yeah, all the major.

WENDY

Yes.

CRAIG

Villains and all the major major doctors. Cybermen. Yes. Sea monsters? Yes, the Saigon.

WENDY

Every single one. Real the real costumes.

NICHOLAS

The Daleks. Wow. Yeah, right. And more than one sort of Dalek. Yeah, and you'd see the Doctor Who's totally Tom and they're costumes. And they're scarves. Wow. Right. And then they'll be the. And their. Their. Screwdrivers, the Sonic screwdrivers, so all the props they.

WENDY

All they all designed their own right.

NICHOLAS

Buy. Them you you can buy them and each one. Each stock had a different design. They design them and so and see. One of my things is that I collect scarves. Not that I have a Doctor Who.

Speaker

Yeah.

NICHOLAS

Scarf. I was gonna. Ask, but I have a whole collection of scarves and I bought a few along today. The one I have here is my. Favourite one, which is from Peru? Yes. Beautiful. Multicoloured Peruvian and Wendy might remember because her sister brought it one back for her and one back for me. What was the material? I think it's alpaca. Alpaca, yeah, but the colours are fantastic.

WENDY

Beautiful. Yeah, sure. It's all hand done. It's just, yeah.

NICHOLAS

Yeah, but as well as that, when we went to Morocco.

CRAIG

Yes, and Nick's standing up now and going through the next. So if you do want to see this. You can always. Jump on YouTube and an interesting grey.

Speaker

Yes.

WENDY

It it doesn't look that exciting, but it's absolutely most soft material. It's absolutely amazing.

CRAIG

Really. Ohh, right, right. So it's a very tactile, tangible experience.

WENDY

Beautiful. Beautiful.

NICHOLAS

And the one that we saw, we went to a.

WENDY

The Craig.

NICHOLAS

A special space, I'm just. Trying to look for the.

WENDY

Says cashmere. And he's cashmere. But but.

CRAIG

Kashmir. Yes. Wow. How much is that on eBay? Let's find out. It looks gorgeous. So what? What? Where's? This from this is. From OK.

NICHOLAS

Morocco.

CRAIG

Morocco. Wow. Morocco.

WENDY

They make a lot of amazing things in Morocco. It's amazing.

CRAIG

OK. OK, rocket.

NICHOLAS

We went to a place. Sorry, when we were in Morocco and that's more recently. Yeah, there was a place that we went to where they did the dying of the materials.

CRAIG

I'd like to get the map back on your mouth.

NICHOLAS

From 2000 years ago.

CRAIG

So it's the same type of technique, yes, they, they.

NICHOLAS

These big vats where we were up on. Say the 4th. Or fifth floor, looking down and smelling the stench from these big rounds of urine. Whatever.

CRAIG

Ohh really? Else so like terms in terms of.

NICHOLAS

Really.

CRAIG

Really old school.

WENDY

It was the grossest smell I have.

Speaker

Wow.

CRAIG

Wow.

WENDY

I encountered in my life. I nearly fainted. It was so bad.

CRAIG

You've never been to a toilet that smells bad. No. No way. No. And this is actually part of a clothes making process.

WENDY

No, not as bad as never. No, it was, but it wasn't. It's it's like lot rotting flesh as well. It's it's like everything they use for making the different colours of the dye. It's been there for centuries and so it's and and they.

CRAIG

Oh wow. But there's no theme park ride for that, no. Literally, it's kind of baked into the.

WENDY

Yes, and they said the people who worked there worked there probably all their lives.

CRAIG

Building.

WENDY

So they're used to the smell.

NICHOLAS

You still? Yeah.

WENDY

I literally nearly fainted. I had to leave because it was so bad.

CRAIG

Yeah. Well, it's one thing you can't.

NICHOLAS

Because you were up on the 4th or 5th floor and it's like an open balcony.

WENDY

Oh.

NICHOLAS

So the smell just comes in and depends which way the wind's blowing as to how bad it is, but then then they'll be selling the leather. Maybe the leather leather of camels or various other animals, and they treat the leather down there, right? No, no. By the time it's all been processed.

WENDY

That leather didn't smell bad. Not like this. This.

CRAIG

Really, you wouldn't think that the dying process to die. Cashmere or clothing would require such a stance.

WENDY

Different colours. See the different colours.

CRAIG

Right. Yeah. And those colours, of course, are from organic things. Yes, those organic things are breaking. They're also dealing with leather and those sorts of things, selling lots of leather, leather too. So animals and skinning animals and.

NICHOLAS

And they're they're dealing with down. And.

WENDY

Yes, yes, yes. All that, all of that, all of the above? Yes. And it was so bad. And I just had to leave and everyone else like that, I don't know.

CRAIG

Yeah. Wow. Wow.

WENDY

Everyone coped.

CRAIG

They did it because it is interesting confronting that, I mean usually I mean theme parks again we're talking about this fake. Yeah. Yeah. Where you get to to kind of see these exotic other spaces. Other worlds. Yeah.

WENDY

It's not so real.

CRAIG

Sometimes when you're confronted the reality, yeah, of the exoticness of it. It can actually be upsetting. Yeah. And I mean.

WENDY

Ohh yeah, it really is and and and the real world intersects with theme parks. As I said earlier, when one of the the some people got injured it's it's not all. All completely like an alternative reality. It's it's actually sometimes very much intersecting with our real world.

CRAIG

Which of course, is fascinating because it's it's. The exception to. The rule they. Yes. Shouldn't you know there's there should be that kind of magical circle where you go in and everything's fake and no one's really.

WENDY

Well, well, can, can I just mention sorry about before you go on about Calico Town.

CRAIG

But going to get eaten by a shot.

WENDY

That was a real town. It was actually a real town in America. It goes.

CRAIG

Right in America, ghost town like like is it kind of a Western or like a depression era town, right?

WENDY

Yes. No, it was. It was before then it was. It was back in, in the days when they used to.

CRAIG

The Cowboys.

WENDY

Yeah, the Cowboys and the all the different mine it was had a mine there. That's why they built the town around the mine. Well, when that became depleted then the.

CRAIG

Mines rights. Whole town became a ghost town and they turned it into. And when you say Ghost Town, it's not just that no ones there. Anymore, it's that it's. A yeah. As you're saying attraction, So what?

WENDY

Yes, yes.

CRAIG

There's a ghost town attraction space. Like is it? Is it like Disneyland? Like a theme park like you go in and there's theme park areas or it's kind of real.

Speaker

Well.

WENDY

Yeah, it's real. It's real. It was real. All the buildings that were still there were real buildings that were once used by the locals.

CRAIG

So it's kind of a. Between a museum and and a theme area.

WENDY

It's a living museum, I suppose you'd say. And they said there actually were people who live there because they had to look after the.

CRAIG

Place. So we're talking a bit more about that like it's it's kind of like Port Arthur here in Tasmania where people visit and there's also a ghost tour and there's stories of it so. Let's put this on camera. So this is the wow. This is from when did you go to 1980 something?

WENDY

8283 yeah, 8283.

CRAIG

Wow, so this is the fascinating authentic map that you got. And were you excited? Did you see ghosts? I mean, they they kind of pictured.

WENDY

Yes. Ohh no, they told us about. There was a couple of buildings there that they actually had closed off and that people didn't go into and they said that's where they had a ghost of someone of the lady and one of them. And there was a man and another one. So they actually did had seen ghosts there.

CRAIG

As a ghost space or.

WENDY

Because it's very old.

CRAIG

It reminds me a bit of sovereign Hill, right? He's kind of.

WENDY

Yes, yes, it's probably very similar. I haven't been to Sovereign Hill, but it's and I know old Sydney town, they have new Sydney in NSW. I've been there and it's very similar to that sort of idea, but this was actually a real working, living, breathing town, a bit like Southern Hill, which was as well and similar thing that mines could get depleted and they completely everyone moves away. But with this one here I have to just say the story when we got there mum and dad have been there before and they said. Right. We get there, we go straight up the top of the hill. We just keep walking to it. Get the top of the hill to the Ice Cream Cafe and ice cream parlour and we get in there and we order ice cream sundaes.

CRAIG

I. OK, that's a good goal.

WENDY

Honestly, so we got there and we ordered one each. Four of us, they were so huge. They had like 10 scoops of ice cream in each 15 bananas. Everything. And and I went. One would have done all four of us and and everyone else who got there missed.

CRAIG

Wow.

WENDY

Out because they used all ohh. Really really.

CRAIG

So I mean I because yeah, you hear a lot about the over serving that goes on.

WENDY

I think one, I think one person.

CRAIG

The sizes are are twice or $3 as much as what you turn 3, but I never heard of them and then they ran out, right?

WENDY

Honestly. Well, the well the person behind us I think got got some. After that, they didn't have any of us watching. Us eat these. Huge. Like literally, they were absolutely enormous. And I said, did they used to serve them in the day and said, yeah, ohh no way. And I had to get other actually, there are a few other kids on that tour, they.

CRAIG

Did you finish it?

Speaker

Ah.

WENDY

They. Helped us have some, but they did say look, that's the sort of serving they used to have back in the day. We're actually using the proper real Sunday.

CRAIG

Ohh good.

WENDY

Trays that they used to use to back in.

CRAIG

So it's not just a little. You know, champagne glass or something?

WENDY

No, it was a huge train. There was a huge tray. Yeah, tray glass tray, an Oval shape that was covered in ice cream.

CRAIG

A tray of ice cream. So it's almost like you're giving A2 litre bucket of ice cream from the supermarket.

WENDY

Just about, yes, absolutely incredible. And they said, oh, that's what they would. That's what they used to serve back in the day, but probably a whole family would have eaten them as well.

CRAIG

Wow. And it would be in like a nickel or something.

WENDY

It was, it was. It was about that. Yes, they had the old prices up on the on the board to show you and it costs.

NICHOLAS

So.

CRAIG

Barely nothing. Ohh, the exchange rate was strong.

WENDY

No, no, because they charged us pretty well the rate that it would have been like. I barely know, you know, like a bit more maybe, but.

CRAIG

Ohh wow right, it's red. Normally you'd imagine theme.

WENDY

Not much more.

NICHOLAS

Parks. So how much is a nickel?

WENDY

No cost billing, nothing.

NICHOLAS

For the non Americans.

WENDY

And nickel is. Is that 25?

CRAIG

Cents is that quarter.

WENDY

That's a quarter. So what's a nickel? A nickel is $0.20. Is that right? I can't remember cause I haven't been there for to America for a long time. But I. But I the cost a dollar, I think they cost a dollar. The ones we got there something like a dollar each something.

CRAIG

Do you know Nicholas?

WENDY

Incredible amount. And it's just like this is just ridiculous.

NICHOLAS

I think a dime was like $0.10, but don't quote me on that one. Yeah, so.

WENDY

Yeah. Yeah. Dimes. $0.10, that's for sure.

NICHOLAS

That.

WENDY

But it was it was fascinating how they actually justified what they were doing by just saying, well, that's what they used to do. And this is what you're coming here for the.

NICHOLAS

Real experience, and it's true. We were, I, I do have a family story from my dad's side of the family. And when he was about 16, he went to Canada and the US and there was one story. Where he was standing outside the bank and this bloke rode up in a horse. And got him to look after it for him while he went into the bank and came out and then paid him a silver dollar horse just for looking after the horse. And this is either 1800s or early 1900s. And the the bloke that asked me to do that was Rockefeller.

CRAIG

Ohh right, the famous capitalist.

NICHOLAS

Oil tank? Yes, that's what he became. And then his kids and whatever carried on from earning so much money. But getting back to Doctor Who.

CRAIG

Right.

Speaker

Yes.

NICHOLAS

When we went to the BBC Four studio, we got to actually stand on the the TARDIS. That was the current TARDIS at the.

CRAIG

Time and you mean like you? Everyone knows the blue box. The police spots, right? So they have.

NICHOLAS

Inside the blue box where?

CRAIG

You had my part.

NICHOLAS

It has essentially you had the central part and you could walk right around it and had all the gadgets. That were there. And then when we went downstairs.

CRAIG

And did it look like it does?

NICHOLAS

On TV? Or did it look exactly it look more Zach Zach looks. Same colours, same size.

WENDY

No, but every doctor has their own TARDIS as well, so they changed the TARDIS for each doctor. Yeah, and this was the one for Matt Smith.

Speaker

Yes.

WENDY

That we saw, yes.

CRAIG

Which is like I'm trying to remember. It's not kind of Chrome colour.

WENDY

2015 had all had a lot of.

NICHOLAS

And orange, orange, orange. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then we walked down the other side of the.

WENDY

And green. Yes, a lot of that.

Speaker

Plate.

NICHOLAS

Form. And there was a big curtain there and we said you weren't supposed to. That's behind the look on there. No, look, I did. And there was another TARDIS inside. No spoilers. So that was the new TARDIS for the new Doctor because. Yeah, Matt Smith was bleeding.

CRAIG

What's behind the curtain and had to take a peek? Nicholas. Yeah.

WENDY

Yes, it was. It was going to be Peter, Peter. Peter.

NICHOLAS

What's his name? Peter Batali. Yeah. Wow, that's it.

CRAIG

Pink body. And then did they beat you? Did they? Say, hey what? Are you doing? We must wipe your memory now.

WENDY

No, no. But they said no one's allowed to look behind the curtain because the new Doctor, the new Doctor, is in the building, and it was actually Peter Capaldi. And they didn't. And Nicholas swing from the back. And he said I saw the new.

CRAIG

And did they see Nicholas do it? Yeah. Yeah. Oh. Wow. And no one I didn't didn't get caught.

NICHOLAS

I I didn't tell anyone.

CRAIG

Out they then.

WENDY

Had they told me to move? Away, yeah.

NICHOLAS

Ohh, but then we were able to see other bits and pieces from Doctor Who.

CRAIG

Wow. How did you feel? One. Why?

NICHOLAS

In the studio.

CRAIG

Why did you look behind the curtain? Some people would be afraid to look behind the curtains like.

WENDY

I didn't. I didn't look.

NICHOLAS

I don't wanna get. I'm a scientist. I like experimenting. And if someone tells me something I no. Yeah, especially don't do that. But I want to check for myself.

CRAIG

Don't do that.

NICHOLAS

Is that what it's really like?

CRAIG

So looking behind that curtain. Was an opportunity to.

Speaker

No.

NICHOLAS

See the TARDIS.

CRAIG

In in, in in all of the TARDIS like like even the parts they don't want you to look.

WENDY

Yes, yes.

NICHOLAS

At it. Yeah. Well, it's it was the actual police box. You could see about 20 metres away.

WENDY

Yes, but they were building new TARDIS. As well, yeah. So we knew there was a new Doctor coming.

NICHOLAS

But there was only a curtain.

CRAIG

So curiosity didn't kill the cat. Ohh right. So, but who else looked behind that was? Was it just you?

NICHOLAS

It was just a curve.

WENDY

I I I did too, because I see. No, no. I came to get him cause I said they're telling you to get away from there. You're not allowed to be there.

NICHOLAS

Ohh, now it comes out. This is the first time I've heard this one. No, I didn't hear that.

WENDY

It's security. She gets you get your husband. He's not allowed to be looking there. The doctor's there or something.

CRAIG

So. Came over. And. And you also then?

WENDY

Looked at ohh no I I only saw so much as.

CRAIG

I saw Nicholas had it open a bit.

WENDY

But there are some group of people there as. Well, that he saw. That I didn't look at. I didn't look at any of them. I just said come now cause saw the back of Peter Capaldi. He.

NICHOLAS

I deny all knowledge.

WENDY

The new Doctor.

CRAIG

Was there did other people on the tour ask you what you'd seen? Were you kind of like because you'd?

NICHOLAS

Yes. Seen the forbidden, I was sorry.

WENDY

Yes, they did. They did ask. You, they said. What did you see? What was it?

NICHOLAS

No, just police folks.

WENDY

He said just the police. Yeah. No, no.

CRAIG

Really, you didn't disclose the fact that you.

NICHOLAS

No, because by this time everyone else was sitting down, ready for a bit more of a talk.

CRAIG

Wow. And it didn't. It didn't ruin the trip, right? They didn't ask you to leave. They didn't. It's fascinating.

NICHOLAS

No, no, they were very good. They were very good about it, yeah.

WENDY

They were actually lovely. They were lovely about the fact they was so naughty.

NICHOLAS

And. Well, I hadn't. I didn't hear the instructions, you see.

WENDY

Oh, right. Because that's why I had to go and get him because he didn't know that.

NICHOLAS

Because I was, I was like the last one. That was the last one down. Yeah, we've got a few stories like that.

WENDY

He wasn't supposed to look.

NICHOLAS

Some of them don't end as well as this one.

WENDY

Did really well.

CRAIG

Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. So did you keep that secret until after Peter Capaldi became the doctor, like? And then I tweet that actually from the back. Definitely. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I'm sure you'll be able.

NICHOLAS

We've pretty well kept it till today.

WENDY

And and and in fact, in fact, Nicholas didn't even know he was looking at the new Doctor, but it was only the security told me. Get him away from there. The new doctor's in there and I didn't tell him that because I I told him later. But at the time he didn't know. But looking back now, he definitely saw him. Yes.

CRAIG

To go back, spoiler alert. Oh. Wow.

WENDY

Yeah, because I hadn't released the information. You see, it wasn't. It was a big secret.

CRAIG

Right. So as you're saying at the time, you didn't hear not behind the curtain, no. So Nicholas, yeah, you're there.

NICHOLAS

No, the the others were over there and heard. And I'm sort of coming down the the stairs. And it wasn't. It was only about 3 feet away. Was this curtain. So I just had a bit.

CRAIG

Of a peek? Was it mortifying to you?

NICHOLAS

Behind it.

CRAIG

Have someone like disobey.

WENDY

Clear the security came up to me and.

CRAIG

Said can you get your help? Really, because they the security weren't gonna go near Nicholas. They thought this guy's dangerous. Gonna go near him. We'll get his wife to do it.

WENDY

No, no. Yes. No, they were they. Yeah. Yeah. They got me to go and get him because they sort of felt probably that I could. Cajole him better than.

NICHOLAS

They could, but I didn't spend a lot of time looking. It wasn't like a. Pull pulled it back fully and yeah, actually, no, I didn't. I didn't. No, I think we were told we weren't allowed to take photos of any of this stuff. So yeah.

CRAIG

Got your camera out.

WENDY

Actually, no, he didn't take a photo. No, no, he no, he didn't, definitely not. Yes.

CRAIG

Ohh at any point.

WENDY

No photos, so we knew not to take them, but it was just one of those moments that if he had have known he could have been the one who told the world.

CRAIG

Yeah. Yeah. Hey, if you had, did you have a shown edge radio, you could have announced it here.

WENDY

No, no, not then. We didn't. Our daughter did though she had.

CRAIG

Come back to Australia. Have one then.

NICHOLAS

Yeah, yeah, she.

WENDY

One there very, very good.

NICHOLAS

She could have. Had this, her and her two friends used to have a demystify. For me, which now they now I think the BBC have got that name, but they had the name beforehand.

WENDY

Like in the beginning, right? Let's start with. Yes, yes. So basically we've talked about a few things. We've talked about a few things today, but there's a lot of reasons why it's really important, I think to find your own.

CRAIG

Well, I've got 2 minutes left so.

WENDY

Parts of the I suppose media that that interest you and get involved if you can like we're we we like, we love radio and we've got involved in radio.

CRAIG

Excellent advice. Yeah, and and well, yeah, this radio studio itself has appeared on television, the ABC comedy show.

WENDY

Do not think either.

CRAIG

Rose haven. Rose haven. Yeah, season one. Episode 5. Yeah, he's filmed in this.

WENDY

Yes, of course. Yes, yes, yes.

CRAIG

Studio fantastic. Yeah, yeah.

WENDY

I sent, sent. Photos of that yes yes. Ohh fantastic yes so.

NICHOLAS

Yeah, and don't forget that Edge radio trains people.

WENDY

Yes.

NICHOLAS

To go on the radio or support people that go.

CRAIG

On radio you can be out of.

NICHOLAS

The Magic media and also they train people to do podcasting.

Speaker

And.

WENDY

Ohh yes, that's that's we've done. We've done both.

CRAIG

Right, yes, so. We, we II conflict of interest, I will say I'm. The trainer? Yeah. So.

NICHOLAS

You're you're the trainer now, but the very first podcast training we were with that group and that's when COVID was on and our trainer had gone to Sydney to. Yeah, see family. Yeah. Plenty. Yeah.

WENDY

Ohh yes.

CRAIG

Didn't very well.

NICHOLAS

He got stuck there because of COVID and he did it. Yes, via video.

WENDY

He ended up being.

CRAIG

Well, some things you don't need to go in the real flesh, but it's fantastic hearing stories of being in the real flesh to visit media. Locations yes and.

WENDY

Another time we might be able to come on another time.

NICHOLAS

We've got some great stories about Ireland.

CRAIG

I want. Yeah, next time we'll, we'll. Maybe we'll do history. Yeah, we'll, we'll.

NICHOLAS

Get we'll we we've got a story about Wendy's birthday. And Finn mccool.

WENDY

Yes, we gotta.

NICHOLAS

An island so we can talk for.

WENDY

Go. OK. All the best. Thanks. Thanks Craig. Thank you. Thanks. Doctor. Doctor Craig. Thank you everyone.

CRAIG

Thanks, Craig, Nicholas and Wendy for cover God it's been. An absolute pleasure.

WENDY

Not Doctor Who, doctor Craig.

NICHOLAS

Yeah. Thanks, doctor Craig.

CRAIG

Exactly like that.

WENDY

Yes, thank you. Thank you.

CRAIG

And you've been wonderful companions on this journey. Keep listening, Taylor. Still a toll for K Pop unlimited. So we'll just be playing some really cool edge tunes and you've been listening to media mothership for.

WENDY

Thank you.

CRAIG

Another week.

NICHOLAS

Cool.

 

 

 

 


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