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Unravelling AI Art, Sci-Fi Resurgence, and Overseas Blockbusters

Episode 66 - With host Craig Norris and cohost Taylor Lidstone.
First Broadcast on Edge Radio, 23rd February 2024.



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CRAIG NORRIS

OK. Hey, you're listening to a Clapper. Edge Radio 99.3 FM this is media mothership on your wonderful listening station, Edge Radio.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

Well, it's a broadcasting station and you. Listen to it. Yeah, it's not a station that listens. You listen to the station.

CRAIG NORRIS

That's right. Well, at the moment, I'm desperately just trying to get my headphones. To. Work OK, so here on media mothership we explore.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

Media, media, mothers and ****.

CRAIG NORRIS

Actually, that's a good that's a good question. There we go. Now I've got stereo on. I I had something on cue. OK, so now headphones on stereo.

Speaker

Ah.

CRAIG NORRIS

So yes, do we do anything we do tonnes of media tonight, today at 4:00 PM on Hobart, we do a tonne of media discussions. So we're going to be looking at AI of.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

On mobile? Course, of course.

CRAIG NORRIS

The surprise no one video games. A a early 90s movie potentially starring Andrew. Clay and Oh my favourite piece, which I might actually bring a bit earlier, which is the classic thing of can it run doom? Right and this? Is the the latest kind of fun, bizarre object that's had doom running on it, which which I'll try and figure out where. The audio is. We get around to it. So we've got a lot of. Yeah. Is there any mother mothering going on there? Well, actually the first story. Could segue into a bit of a nanny state, so sorry, there's a bit of bit of mother concept there and ships ships. Well, yes, the second story involves science fiction.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

OK. Yes. Ohh yeah, that's true spaceships.

CRAIG NORRIS

Wow, alright, so all that and more here on.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

Not much more, but.

CRAIG NORRIS

Media mothership. Alright, you're back on media membership and it's radio 9.3 FM. As well as on YouTube and Twitch, we're on a 13 second delay. Well, I'm figuring out on YouTube and Twitch, so gosh knows if you do post a comment on YouTube or Twitch, do give us 13 seconds to respond to it. Ohh, here we go. Yeah.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

It's great radio.

CRAIG NORRIS

Well, I'm just just curious to see if there's. Image. Yeah, there we go. Yeah. So we're on 30 seconds. Lee. You can message us on there or you can SMS us on 0488811707 if there's something pressing you would like to discuss with us.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

Well, who are?

CRAIG NORRIS

You. I'm ah, thank you. I'm your host doctor Craig. And who are you?

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

Well, you you say.

CRAIG NORRIS

Your Lord.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

Taylor. Yes. And here is my verification of. That really, yeah.

CRAIG NORRIS

You've got a. This says this card certifies Lord Taylor Lidstone. Is the owner of an estates in Appin, Scotland, and is entitled to assume and use this title and style of Lord of Glencoe and yeah, identification on the back. I'll, I'll, I'll wave that in front of the camera. The camera.

Speaker

Yeah.

CRAIG NORRIS

It's on 13 second delay I'm not. Seeing it. OK, I'm assuming it's there. Uh, great. Wow. Well, I look forward to seeing you stand at the airport in an attempt to board a.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

Flight. It's really good though, because it's a what's it called? A A. Uh. Steve, I can't remember the names, right? I can't. No, no. Like an area. A wilderness area. That's like a public area sort of thing. And because of you hold this card, you can put whatever you want on that plot.

CRAIG NORRIS

Right, yes. Of land, do you? Because yes, people could put a park. Bench.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

Yep, pipe bench, a little gazebo, whatever.

CRAIG NORRIS

Obviously within some. You want? Yeah. You're not going to fly an offensive flag.

Speaker

No.

CRAIG NORRIS

Yes, talking well, Gary, do you have any ideas what you'd?

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

Like to put up there, I'd like to put a monument. To K pop.

CRAIG NORRIS

Of course. Well, Taylor does the K pop unlimited show with DJ CJ?

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

He's a he's a widely character.

CRAIG NORRIS

The only character from 5:00 immediately after this. Well, talking of doing inappropriate things and trying to avoid them. OK, first article for today is Google pausing their Gemini image.

Speaker

1.

CRAIG NORRIS

Later, after it was being accused of racism against white people. So this, of course is, you know, we've got Bing and Bing chat and you can get Bing chat or co-pilot actually pilot. That's right. Sorry. It's copilot. And that can create images.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

Yeah, that's right. Code pile is what it's called.

CRAIG NORRIS

There are various AI image creation.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

Darly stable diffusee.

CRAIG NORRIS

Dali. Yep. Stable diffusion. Now the the big I guess search engines have, you know, come up with either their own version or Co opting in some way, those existing engines. So Google got a lot of hoohah about their initial launch. I don't know if you've used Google's Gemini.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

I actually haven't used Gemini used Bard beforehand, which is what Gemini used.

CRAIG NORRIS

And.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

To be called.

CRAIG NORRIS

Yeah. Yeah, a lot of renaming.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

For no reason actually.

CRAIG NORRIS

So what's interesting about this, though? So the article goes on to talk about how Google's pausing the ability of its AI chat bot geminate to generate images after people had been. Asking it to create images of what I guess in terms of the typical history of images are considered to be white. Heteronomy well, not even heteronome white. Historically white people. Yeah, like Vikings and Nazis. Right? So people have been giving the Gemini chat bot instructions to create images of of Nazis and British kings and. Vikings and.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

Not working.

CRAIG NORRIS

Not Vikings, Vikings and what's been interesting here is that they've found it's been doing a kind of racial diversity and gender diversity of responses. So a lot of black mediaeval British kings, a lot of black Nazi soldiers and black Vikings. Yeah, and this caused this huge I mean, if it's really interesting, if you look at. YouTube. There's all these videos about that are basically, you know, it's that cultural war that exists at the moment between conservative commentators and what I would argue are straw man arguments against woke culture. Right. So this this basically. This issue of Google Gemini image generator. Not featuring white people in historically conventionally perceived white roles like Vikings, Nazis, and British kings. Right? Oh yeah, the top three Google searches on any white supremacist YouTube.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

Right. Those are the three, the three, the main white.

CRAIG NORRIS

Or Google image search. Generator as basically provided this petrol fuel to the fire of this work straw man argument. So they've basically been complaining here that, you know, this is revealed Googles workless. Look, I'm not going to play I I found some horrid little examples. Sky News and you know all your top 10 conservative commentators. That's all. I mean. In fact, there's nothing I found on YouTube on the quick search I did. That was trying to have a debate about what's going on here or the kind of hypocrisy underpinning it that is, that there's been a long history of these image searches, you know, basically not being able to portray anything that's not, you know, massively mainstream. And dominating culture. Night. Narratives of of society and history, so you know it's it's. I'm not gonna play any of those clips. Yeah, I don't fun and fun, but what's interesting here is yeah, so Google's reaction and they've said that they're working to address this recent issue with Gemini's. Image generation feature while we do this, they're pausing the image generation of people and reassess and improved version soon. So the company initially addressed the controversy, which caused wide outrage amongst the anti woke crowd. So again this is this culture war where they're looking for anything that they perceive as work culture and ramping up the argument around it. So the anti war crowd was kind of complaining to Google and. You know have have been complaining that this is, you know, also, you know, inaccurate in terms of history and so forth. But you know I I wonder, you know, I wonder if that's the case. I did do I mean one of my, one of the things I like asking. Or. Yeah. Is, you know, what would a deconstructionist? Say of this. Because I always think, yeah, deconstructionism, which is a fun theory which basically takes these ideas. Is of of oppositions or binaries and tries to say, well, you know what are the assumptions within this opposition that it's setting up and you know it's set up these really interesting questions in terms of asking yourself from this. From this outrage of anti woke commentators who are saying, you know, here we have an example of of clearly a a kind of work agenda. You know what is historical accuracy to begin with here, right. I mean, there definitely have been particularly for Vikings who are, you know, one of the interesting things about Viking culture. You know, if we're looking from, like, the six hundreds on during the raiding and pillaging. And.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

The fun era.

CRAIG NORRIS

Expanding Viking. That's right. If you're watching Netflix, you're watching all the fun TV biking shows. And certainly with your Scottish ancestry or connection. Now you'd know that many people from Scotland, Ireland, the UK have.

Speaker 5

Like.

CRAIG NORRIS

Viking DNA. Right. Many people say that one of the actual things that people get DNA tests on is to find out, do they have any Danish or Viking ancestry? So. So clearly, I think the idea that Vikings are white is actually kind of misleading in terms of the history of Viking culture, which spread itself out not only in, you know. Predominantly Anglo Celtic Saxon white spaces, but also throughout the Middle East throughout. Into Russia, the steps the Mongolian horde space. So you had an immense amount of racial diversity amongst Vikings. So I do think this idea of historical actualism a little misleading and similarly with Nazis. Japan was part of the Axis of World War 2. So I would say there would be Asian Nazis. SMS in now but yeah, so I do think that raises some interesting question about who decides what historically is accurate, right? I mean, we didn't have any photos. We don't have any. I mean in terms of that type of of dominant story has been passed on from. You know the the winners, the victors and some stories have been lost from that. In fact, I'm reading this really fascinating story at the. Called African samurai, the story of your your crusade, your your crusade yuscak is the name of this really fascinating case of this African slave who then became a kind of part of the Jesuit mission to Japan. In the. Ah, I'm going to say 15116 hundreds right during the Sengoku Jidai period. The warring state period and this African bodyguard of the Jesuit priests in Japan was given to ODA Nobunaga, who was the ruling Shogun. During that period, to assist in the Jesuit missions expansion into Japan and and this African bodyguard became incorporated into the ODA Nobunaga. A kind of samurai system. He was giving the title summary.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

He's got a good shadow sword.

CRAIG NORRIS

In in a game. Yeah, well, yeah, this is right. That's right. So this figure was was largely forgotten about that. There was a black samurai that, you know, basically went from, you know, slave to bodyguard to the highest rank. That period in Sangoku Janai, Japan. And have been largely forgotten about, but has since been kind of just remembered. During the 60s, Seventies, 80s and now today. And yeah, there's there's this sense of again, this idea of historical accuracy that, you know, we have this idea that all samurai are Japanese. There are moments in history.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

Tremendous.

CRAIG NORRIS

Where there was Adams Adams character, the white English guy in the 1600s, who was made a samurai by.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

Well, no. His name as well. He has a fan attack. What game is this? Sing the samurai warrior.

CRAIG NORRIS

Warriors. Well, it's an entry point anyway. So, yeah. So what is historical accuracy? So I think actually in a way I, I I think this whole discussion is wrong in terms of it's about. Basically, attacking a a alleged woke argument that is against. You know, normative white culture to instead saying, well, actually what is historically accurate. Is there more diversity here that has been forgotten or that could be maybe this Gemini AI has been able to tap into forgotten history?

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

So what would you say if you, what's it called? Did did a search of generated an image of an of an African king? Would it come back with a white person because historically. Britain was the King of Africa. Do you think that would?

CRAIG NORRIS

Have happened. I mean, I think.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

That's a certain parts of Africa.

CRAIG NORRIS

I mean, yeah, yeah, I mean and. And I think that that's maybe the other side of the coin here that that equal to the hallucination problem. I guess that that we're getting to here that yeah, I mean I think there's a long. History of in fact, the other problem being dominant that is that most searches had been. Erasing any black identity or non white identity in image searches that it was predominantly white. So clearly I guess what's coming up here is that this was. The attempt to correct the fact that all of the AI training for image that most of these programmes have been doing have featured largely white. Culture, because that dominates the Internet environment.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

Yeah, I think it's a bit of a knee jerk reaction because it's like then you just if you wanted to generate a white Viking, you would say a white Viking or a black Viking or an Asian Viking if you wanted.

CRAIG NORRIS

To change it, well, I think this the article is saying that even when they.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

If you leave it open then.

Speaker

Yeah.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

It's it. It can do whichever one, because it's been left.

CRAIG NORRIS

Open. Well, I think yeah. And and and I think the debate because it's been pulled, you can't now double, you can't check it, verify it because a lot of the commentary in some of these conservative anti work arguments are saying that you know even when they attempted to do these prompts to say, you know, you know. It must be so. Accurate. It must not feature. You know, ethnicities and racial identities are not part of that, and it was still getting this kind of racial diversity. So their argument is, yeah, even with those prompts, it was unable to do it. But again, you know, in the comments. So this is in Gizmondo. What's interesting, the comments kind of talk about some of this in terms of saying, you know, if you have a. Look at. What the root causes of this refusal of the AI to do this? It would be interesting. You know what? What's interesting? You identify what's stopping the AI? Because in the in the comments later, someone points out that they were trying to do something similar with nerds and get the AI to create or this is copilot. So this is copilots, the Microsoft version to. Create images of nerds without glasses. But it continually put glasses in.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

There, if you're a nerd. You have to have glasses. That is the rule.

CRAIG NORRIS

Yeah. Yeah. So again, one of the things there that asks is what's going on here, what's blocking the AI from being able to address this, this issue that even with clear prompts, it's it's search of nerds. Is so heavily integrated with glasses that it can't break that that training.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

Hmm. Well, I was a nerd without glasses, so might drop on that.

CRAIG NORRIS

Yeah, yeah, you're that's right. You're you're not represented. You, you, your, your identity is not represented in the AI's version of what a nerd is. So again, I think I think there's there's a lot of other interesting angles to take to this question than simply. This is part of an anti.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

Conservative, one of the funny things I think of is that according to Hollywood, the main defender of the Great Wall of China was Matt.

CRAIG NORRIS

Damon, I mean, many people point out that the, the, the depiction of of Jesus is is so historically inaccurate. You know that that it's this. White. Bearded guy that more than likely he was black.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

Middle Eastern, yeah.

CRAIG NORRIS

Easton. Yeah. So, again, yeah, I think there's a lot of other questions. This is crazy that are equally interesting. All right. So the next article.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

After a little Jingle.

CRAIG NORRIS

You know you have a week off and you little rusty. Next article is from GameSpot. In a full circle movement hell Divers 2 has helped more people discover Starship Troopers.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

OK, what are?

CRAIG NORRIS

You talking about? Here we go. Alright. Well, to get you in the mood. Here is the hell drivers two official the story so far. Trailer. OK, so this will solve all your problems. So this is a video game trailer for hell divers do.

Speaker 6

Super Earth bastion of peace. Prosperity. And the managed democracy. For 100 years, our colonists have toiled happily to enshrine the unquestionable rule of freedom. But now our enemies rise from the shadows once more. The tyrannical terminates spread unfettered across the Galaxy. The socialist automatons terrorise innocent families. Babes are torn from their mothers motors and from their ballots. In this time of need, Super Earth once again calls upon her mightiest, bravest, most obedient heroes. The hell divers no cost is too high. No sacrifice is too great. You are democracies, most elite least hesitant defenders. The terminates will be contained. The automatons dismantled. You will grind our enemies into oblivion. For freedom, for managed democracy, for super. Join the helldiver the galaxies last line of offence.

CRAIG NORRIS

Yeah. Yeah. So that is the hell drivers game. And just to get people to have the kind of mash up which this article suggesting that you can go from that held. Day of escape. To Starship Troopers. Here's what many people you know has become quite a meme. From Starship Troopers, for those who don't remember. Starship Troopers was a movie.

Speaker

From.

CRAIG NORRIS

The 90s.

Speaker 7

Young people from all over the globe are joining up to fight for the future.

Speaker

I'm doing my part.

Speaker 7

I'm doing my part. I'm doing my part.

Speaker

I'm doing my part too.

Speaker 7

They're doing their part. Are you join the mobile infantry and save the world? Service guarantees citizenship.

CRAIG NORRIS

So what many people thought was really clever with Starship Troopers. The movie was that. It was from a very kind of conservative sci-fi book Starship Troopers, and they kind of played it straight as a a satire of this kind of right wing. Kind of fascist states that was going to war against this bug empire. There to destroy them so Helldivers is not in the IP territory of Starship Troopers. It's not at all licenced game from it, but it's clearly evoking not only the idea of a interspecies war between humans and bug creatures, but also it's diving. Really deeply into this satire of conservative fascist narrative, right. It's basically a kind of if you watch that trailer, both trailers actually are kind of these propaganda war posters from a kind of military. The. Dictatorship. Ride. So what's interesting about this? You look a bit perplexed.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

Though what's this thing about humans versus bugs in space? It's it's. It's the same thing that happens again and again. You've got Ender's Game, you've got the the Neil Bloom camp film, which is I didn't like that film, but. Whatever.

CRAIG NORRIS

It's interesting because I think maybe when you think of bugs, you think about that hive collective narrative that underpins it. So that is could be considered a very Western dominant trope of bug invasion versus human human forces where you have this kind of surrogate of a many people would claim one reading being a surrogate. Of you know that Communist groupthink, socialist state narrative, that the groupthink bug collective, you know based in nature? And science provides a kind of convenient scapegoat to say, you know, we have the human kind of individualism versus the bug collectivization. So that would strike me as one reason why you'd have bugs as your enemy because they're so foreign, but also they provide. I think are kind of subtext which for a. Right finger left.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

So a jellyfish.

CRAIG NORRIS

Jelly. Well, yeah. I mean, other jellyfish enemies that we.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

See, I've not seen one.

CRAIG NORRIS

You know, but there aren't many water. Settings for popular fiction, I mean Aquaman. But we laugh at that. But you could have the equivalent of jellyfish in space. Yeah, exactly. Attacking. And again, I'd say, yeah, that could equally be similar. But yeah, as we.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

Learned in the last show. Very, very dangerous with jellyfish.

CRAIG NORRIS

That's right, yeah. Yeah, the the pain, the jellyfish can can actually. So that's episode 66. Which I have to fix the time delay force do OK so OK. So after establishing that what I find really interesting though about the article is one of my favourite media theories was the long tail theory to explain how you.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

Know I remember this. You banged on about this quite a lot in your classes.

CRAIG NORRIS

Yeah, that's right. Yeah. Bang on about it. Now, do you remember anything about the long tail theory?

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

UM. Ah, maybe it is where something has happened and it has. You want to get the longest tail and so it ends up influencing the most amount of things.

CRAIG NORRIS

Yeah, yeah, you're on the right track that over time. The If you measure the popularity of a text or a song or a movie, if you do it over time, you can be really surprised with what suddenly is seen as successful. It might not be successful that it's opening, so Blade Runner being a great example.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

Hmm.

CRAIG NORRIS

Where it bombed in its opening theatrical release.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

Was this the first one?

Speaker

But.

CRAIG NORRIS

Blade Runner. Yeah, the first one as well as the thing, right, a lot of cult films have long tails to them because they're initial release is a bomb. But then as it gets traction through either syndication, in on television. So, you know, it'll be on every Saturday or through VHS or DVD or Blu-ray or streaming. Where it's rediscovered by a new audience. It then gets this huge uptick in popularity, and that can tick over like Star Trek, for instance. It was cancelled after 2. Seasons that's considered one of the most successful sci-fi TV franchises. And again, that's, that's that long tail that even though the studio cancelled it under season 2, it then realised that actually had a really successful property. So the long tail theory is saying that we should reassess how we judge success. Popular culture that instead of being so fixated on what a release. Sale is like what the opening weekend of a movie is to judge its success. If instead we say well over 5 to 10 years, we say.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

Yeah. So so like for example, we've got no listeners now.

CRAIG NORRIS

Yeah, I would totally use our own show as an example of that. Yeah, our show is is is grossly under recognised. But if we zoom out and take maybe 80 year. I'm gonna put all these episodes into time capsules, and they'll be discovered and recognised as the Vincent van Gogh Geniusness that they represent.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

Fantastic. And in 80 years, no one will be able to play DVD's anymore. So.

CRAIG NORRIS

Yeah. What do you mean? Yeah, I'll future proof it. But Vince Van Gogh will be an example of. A long tail. Right. Yep. Completely unrecognised in his lifetime. But then an enormous recognition that that continues over. Decades. So here we have an example of long tail theory in terms of how this one is about explaining how the long tail mechanics can work, where one text triggers another text. So you've got the held drivers 2 video game which is becoming very successful, but there's nothing about the Helldivers to. Promotion or text which says. To understand what's going. On here you need to have first read or watched Starship Troopers.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

Is there a Helldivers 1?

CRAIG NORRIS

Hey, why not assume there is? I've not played it. I imagine it would be weird to put two there if there wasn't a. One already. Yeah. OK, so. Let's assume there is. So what's interesting here though? Is not that Helldivers 2 has caused a lot of people to discover Helldivers 1. Instead, it's got them to discover this completely. Yeah, tangential text, Starship Troopers, and so the article goes on to talk about how, according to online TV ratings tracker. Television stats. By Eurogamer, interest in Starship Troopers began to spike around February 18th. I don't know why you were on February 18th, but I was definitely starting to follow this and it continued to climb since then, and at the time of writing, which was the February 20th of 2024, it was the 25th most popular film online. Game director Johan. Hillstead. Has a brief response on Twitter. This is incredible, he said. So again, obviously held overs to was borrowing from a lot of texts, including including Warhammer 40K. It says in the article, but the whole idea of overzealously preaching about, you know, protecting democracy, has a really strong. My ship troopers vibe. So. It was that that kind of residence that then people went back into saying, yeah, I really loved torso film again. So it was a really fascinating example. Again, sometimes like, the long tail theory was based on, I think it's the into the. Void. TV drama or film? Sorry, which came out, which is based on a true story. Film came out, the film got people interested in the book, which had come. Out 12 years before the. Film, but had only met, you know, lukewarm interest. The books tonnes more interesting than the film and cause the the book to become a bestseller. Well, yeah. So similarly here I mean. Sorry, Trump. Is is. Is is nicely remembered, but yeah, fascinating how something can trigger going back to the mother. Yep. Our property. Talking of motherships, this is a I just want to play a couple of clips from this because again, it's an interesting moment of having a what's defined as the. Again, a long tail and the mothership. This article is from crack talking about Andrew Dice Clays's notorious bomb became a hit overseas by recasting Andrew Dice Clay. So I don't know if you remember Andrew Dice, Clay. He was a comedian in the 80s.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

Never heard of him.

CRAIG NORRIS

So incredibly dated, but this film that he made, which was Ford Fairlane. Yeah. The adventures of Ford Fairlane was absolutely trashed when it was released. It was said that it was absolutely shocking film. And. So and Eberts those two American commentators anyway, they said that was their comment. EBIT, EBIT gave the movie 2 thumbs down, calling it another waste of time. New York Times's Jeannette Maslin wrote the person most likely to be entertained by the adventures of Ford Fairlane needs to be made, need not be made aware of the film's existence. He's already. On the screen. Which I'm assuming means that either there's only one person that would be interested in watching it, which is. Andrew, basically, or they're on the screen cause they're like on the news.

Speaker

Good.

CRAIG NORRIS

Being arrested, I don't know. So again, what's interesting here though, is that this film bombed. But it became really successful overseas because of the people chosen to dub it. So they talk about in Hungary they. Yes, so but there goes on to say most it was mostly forgotten the adventures of Ford family and, however, became a low key phenomena of specifically post Communist Hungary, where it had a second life thanks to the actors that dubbed over the voices for the frontman of the band, Beatrice. If you've not heard, we'll play a little. Bit of that. I'll skip to the the cool part. Yep. So that's post Communist Hungary music and then he he dubbed over the top of it. So we'll hear a little bit of his dubbing for, for feeling.

Speaker

Yeah. Yes.

Speaker 7

Launcher.

Speaker 6

Fashion.

Speaker 7

Hey, first caller. Hey.

CRAIG NORRIS

It goes for another minute but. I mean Hungarian. There might be Hungarian audience out there that's enjoying that. What's interesting about the the Hungarian dub was that the rock stars like the way he delivered it was. Was just extremely off. He's quoted as saying. That, yeah, which made it even more hilarious that he gave a really loose interpretation of the material. And hit and he was kind of improvising and being able to loosely interpret what was going on and use a lot of language, which even then became part of the slang language of Hungarian youth in the 90s. Yeah. So similarly it was similarly popular in Norway, where it became a hit on the home video market and in Spain, where dice clay was again replaced by a popular musician, singer and comedian Pablo Coronel. And it was due to the. Yeah, this kind of dubbing that became popular in Hungary, Norway, Spain. Anthony.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

That reminds me of a particular anime I kind of I think it's called ghost stories or something like that. And it was so run of the mill and the and then they were dubbing it into English and the script was so bad that the. The actors, the voice actors, just decided to add Lib, most of it and turn it into a comedy, and it's actually bloody.

CRAIG NORRIS

Hilarious. Yes, there are some. I know there was an Australian film that took the Italian Hercules movie. And did a film about them having to dub over the top of it. Without knowing exactly what the script is and justice improvise A dubbing over. I forget what that's called Hercules something or other. And yeah, so again, I think it can be quite an art to be able to. Dub over the. Top of a film and within that there can be quite a bit of comedy. And the voice actors attached to those projects can, in a way, be much more influential than the original American or Australian actors that gave that first performance, that sometimes it's not the mothership which defines. The value of that text it's the. It's the spawn of the mothership.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

Of that media. Yeah, yeah.

CRAIG NORRIS

Which will be our spin-off shirt. Alright. Can it run Doom last article of? The show, so this is a. Fun article which is talking about the phenomena of basically testing the technology by running doom on it. Have you come across anything that? Became interesting because Doom ran.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

On it, I can't remember what it was.

CRAIG NORRIS

You know, there was a like a tractor. Or something which, like on the tractor.

Speaker

Then.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

I'm pretty sure I saw one and it was like on like a a keyboard or something like that. And there was like a tiny little LCD screen and it was usually just used for putting the volume up and down and showing the numbers on there.

CRAIG NORRIS

Thanks.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

And someone had put doom on that. I think. I think or something.

CRAIG NORRIS

Like that. So this is an article at ARS ARS. And yes, they said they've covered in the past examples of it happening. On hackedprinterswindowsnotepad.exe. A version running inside Doom itself. So someone ran doom inside doom. But these are many other varied examples. Not as odd as the latest. Thing that's Chief Doom on it, which is. Displaying the game using a grid of E coli bacteria. Yeah, MIT graduate student Lauren Rayman outlined this method. So we'll play a bit of a clip where she talks about how she took the one bit pixels encoded in East coli for the display of interactive media. For her research project and managed to get it to kind of bring up the opening screen for Doom. So it's it's a bit of a liberty to say it can. Play doom but. I guess. Can can get scenes from Doom to appear, and it's it's a it's a. Anyway, we'll listen a bit to the intro. So again, I think it's a great example of. So we're doing PhD and then thinking of a way of communicating that research. So this is the student. Now we hear. A little bit about them talking about what they're. Project is.

Speaker 5

People coming run. And I am a first year pH. D student in the Biological engineering department and the media lab here at MIT. We are in the modern era. This is a time that it run on a variety of surprising devices, from ATM machines to MacBook touch bars, pregnancy tests, and even Legos.

CRAIG NORRIS

All right, so this goes forbid. Do you want a pregnancy test?

Speaker 5

Some modders have even figured out a way to run doom inside of Doom itself. With doom supremacy in the electronic sector secured, it was time to imagine new mediums on which to run the game. With the rise of the biotech sector in the 21st century, some clever scientists started imagining ways to integrate biology with two in August of 2023, the YouTube channel the Thought Emporium released a video proposing a method by which neurons grown on the chip could be trained. You played doom. This idea was based off of existing. Coded in E coli. By growing engineered cells in a 1000.

CRAIG NORRIS

So it goes through a bit of other science which has done it then it. Talks about how she grew. These E coli on a kind. Of Petri dish. And there's a lot of maths, and then there's a bit of coding looks like from GitHub and that's great.

Speaker

Fighting.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

It's from Visual Studio.

CRAIG NORRIS

Oh wow, I'm just trying. To get to the bit where we hear it.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

Let's see it. And so it's not. Gonna be like.

Speaker

See this somewhere.

Speaker 5

To achieve peak image.

CRAIG NORRIS

Alright, hold on, hold on. Let me Scroll down a bit. Yeah, it's a fantastic. Fantastic. Basically, it's just a screeching sound, OK?

Speaker

Yeah.

CRAIG NORRIS

Yes, but yeah, actually, yes. Now quite interesting that phenomenon. Yeah. I don't think they they they I don't think you hear it but there is yes. There is, there is hope with us. To unleash my plan. Which is to get a playable version of Doom. On the 99.3 FM signal. So as people be listening to it on audio, they will be playing doom.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

Wow. Next PhD project.

CRAIG NORRIS

I think that would be very interesting, right? Playing Doom on audio. And an Oreo.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

Could it be done?

CRAIG NORRIS

I think I hear it media.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

Mothership. Of course. If anyway is going. To do it.

CRAIG NORRIS

We'll set up a. Fundraiser. That could have been an example of Doom audio signal there. So yes, what I'll do because I'm pretty sure I've come across someone that's been able to figure out how to get. An audio signal. As as as the Doom game and you can kind of like you send it out as an audio track and then you can bring it up on your computer monitor as the waveform and the waveform is the Doom game. Alright. Pretty sure? Pretty sure. I'll. I'll see if I can dig up that audio and play it.

Speaker

I'm crazy.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

But could you? Could you play it?

CRAIG NORRIS

Well, you need to still then get that waveform from the audio represented on a monitor, so you still need a bit of software that can take this sound that we're broadcasting over YouTube and Twitch and the FM signal and on demand. On Edge radio. And then visualise that.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

Well, I'm not gonna stop until I can take photos with my.

CRAIG NORRIS

Eyes, I reckon that's grant. Of course. That's. Well, you know, UTAS are always looking for innovative media science. So very exciting. OK, feel free to keep listening now. It's radio. What do you reckon? So what have we learned from today's journey?

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

We've learned that Gemini is racist. We've learned that some people have got too much time on their hands and making one don't run on things. We've learned that old things. Getting new interest in them, even though they're bad. I've never seen.

CRAIG NORRIS

It at the long tail in the long tail. We all can enjoy long towels. So this has been doctor Craig and Lord Taylor with accreditation for Media mothership on his radio show, notes. Notes will be available on the episode description on YouTube and Twitch or your podcast provider of Choice Next week we.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

Antenna pod.

CRAIG NORRIS

And are we?

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

On that I don't know, but that's that's my favourite 1.

CRAIG NORRIS

Don't know if I'm on that. You can listen to previous episodes on YouTube, Twitch and at age radio.org dot AU find out more about me mothership on Facebook and Instagram. Keep listening there to Edge radio coming up. Next we K pop Unlimited with DJ and DJ CJ.

TAYLOR LIDSTONE

Let me check you for an antenna pod.

CRAIG NORRIS

Cool, alright.

 

 

 

 


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